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Old 06-27-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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There are tons of people on the strip during the day and especially during the night. My description of people rushing from one air conditioned casino to the next is a bit of an exaggeration. At the same time though the same things that make the strip so amazing and different are in other ways it's negatives. Sure every high end chef in the world has a restaurant there, sure every high end store in the world is located in las vegas. it's super unique in that way. but come on, none of these stores or restaurants were started there. there's nothing organic. it can feel very fake and opportunistic . and while it may not matter to some, the lack of residential housing really detracts when start comparing it to more fleshed out downtowns, not to mention the fact that is also missing other cultural amenities such as museums.

honestly though while it may seem like i'm trashing las vegas a bit, the place is super unique and in my original response I was actually defending las vegas' inclusion on this list as a lot of people seem to think that it doesn't belong. I think it belongs... i just think it has a ways to go before it's truly among the elite downtowns in america.
I agree and have stated in previous posts that to rank the Strip highly as a 'downtown' one would have to get past that artificial tourist element. And I also agree that it def is missing some key components to being a well rounded downtown comparable to other cities but amenity wise it's very impressive. I think it belongs in the discussion just maybe with an asterisk or something since, as you state as well, it's a very unique place.
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Old 06-27-2011, 07:09 PM
 
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1. NYC (Excites me)
2. Chicago (Excites me)
3. SF (Alive, but not like above)
4. Philly (Nice, but not exciting)
5. Boston (See Philly)
6. DC (Nice only during daytime)
7. Seattle (Nice, but...)
8. San Diego (Love the vibe and setting)
9. New Orleans (Nice vibe, but...)
10. Charlotte (Beautiful, walkable, accessible but small)
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Old 06-27-2011, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Nevernever land
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My list:

1. NYC
2. Chicago
3. San Francisco
4. Philly
5. Los Angeles
6. Seattle
7. Washington D.C.
8. Boston
9. Atlanta
10. Houston
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:05 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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NYC

the rest
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:21 PM
 
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LoL just remember the other cities are growing also and reinventing themselves. They wont stay the same for five years. Seattle alone has 5 billion dollars worth of construction alone going on downtown. The Seattle waterfront area, South Lake Union, Yessler Terrace, First Hill, Capitol Hill and it has several new towers under construction already. Right now theres 2600 new housing units under construction downtown with many other projects ready to start construction. And Seattle has 47 miles of new rail underconstruction also lol. Anyway that stuff isnt all finished and in five years there might be other cities who grow more we dont know its the future. I still cant see D.C in the top 5 ever as it grows so will the other cities it will always be behind I think.
I can see people don't know much about what is going on in DC so I will just give a quick run down. I'm not going to talk about the residential construction going on in City Center, Mt. Vernon Triangle, 14th street corridor, Northwest One District, and SW Federal Center because there is really just to much going on and it's already apart of Downtown anyway. These are the three new Downtown DC districts:

New Downtown DC Districts under construction:

(NOMA District)
Office Space = 21,029,000 square feet
Retail Space = 1,388,950 square feet
Residential Units = 9,356 units
Hotels = 1,102 rooms
http://www.nomabid.org/wp/wp-content.../06/WebPDF.pdf


(Capitol Riverfront District)
Office Space = 15,908,820 square feet
Retail Space = 1,100,966 square feet
Residential Units = 8,703 units
Hotels = 1,125 rooms
Capitol Riverfront | Development


(SW Waterfront District)
Office Space= 840,000 square feet
Retail Space =335,000 square feet
Residential Units = 560 units
Hotels = 600 rooms
The Wharf - Project Renderings


(Total Net Downtown Development)
Downtown Net Office Space = 37,777,820 square feet
Downtown Retail Space = 2,824,916 square feet
Downtown Residential Units = 18,619 units
Downtown Hotel rooms = 2,827 rooms
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:41 PM
 
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I can see people don't know much about what is going on in DC so I will just give a quick run down. I'm not going to talk about the residential construction going on in City Center, Mt. Vernon Triangle, 14th street corridor, Northwest One District, and SW Federal Center because there is really just to much going on and it's already apart of Downtown anyway. These are the three new Downtown DC districts:

New Downtown DC Districts under construction:

(NOMA District)
Office Space = 21,029,000 square feet
Retail Space = 1,388,950 square feet
Residential Units = 9,356 units
Hotels = 1,102 rooms
http://www.nomabid.org/wp/wp-content.../06/WebPDF.pdf


(Capitol Riverfront District)
Office Space = 15,908,820 square feet
Retail Space = 1,100,966 square feet
Residential Units = 8,703 units
Hotels = 1,125 rooms
Capitol Riverfront | Development


(SW Waterfront District)
Office Space= 840,000 square feet
Retail Space =335,000 square feet
Residential Units = 560 units
Hotels = 600 rooms
The Wharf - Project Renderings


(Total Net Downtown Development)
Downtown Net Office Space = 37,777,820 square feet
Downtown Retail Space = 2,824,916 square feet
Downtown Residential Units = 18,619 units
Downtown Hotel rooms = 2,827 rooms
ok kool but the seattle ones are under construction with cranes already in place . Theres billions of dollars of more development in development stage also
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:49 PM
 
Location: The City
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ok kool but the seattle ones are under construction with cranes already in place . Theres billions of dollars of more development in development stage also

was about to ask the same question, doesnt the Fed Gov't have cut spending or our Bond rating goes down the tubes; DC will likely develop but all these could take 20-30 years if the Gov't cuts spending which it basically has to - not to get political but as Gov't spending so goes DC - the huge growth over the last 20 years is about to come to a pretty significant halt. DC may feel the effects of the latest recession (Yes MD DC did not experience this for a reason) after other areas and may also recover after other areas. DC is growing not because DC is better (it is afine place FWIW) but because it was leveraged on out of control deficit spending by our Gov't - this not only has to be reduced (the spending) but we also need to use funds that would have been spent on paying down our debt.

MD believes that the DC economy lives in a bubble of isolation - I imagine he is young enough that he has been isolted from any real world (non govt induced) bubbles that have impacted DC. the last 20 years have been a gov't induced bubble and one thing is all bubbles burst. This is not wishing any ill will on DC but I find their posters to be delusional to reality at times.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:50 PM
 
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ok kool but the seattle ones are under construction with cranes already in place . Theres billions of dollars of more development in development stage also
You obviously didn't click any of the links..lol..DC has way more construction going on and cranes all over the city than seattle right now. If you dispute this, you are not in the development community obviously. Everyone involved with development knows DC is the absolute hottest market right now with almost double the projects moving and financed than any other city in the nation.
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:50 PM
 
Location: NYC/PHiLLY
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Ok, so who's actually been to all of the DT's that are making these list?
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Old 06-27-2011, 08:52 PM
 
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was about to ask the same question, doesnt the Fed Gov't have cut spending or our Bond rating goes down the tubes; DC will likely develop but all these could take 20-30 years if the Giv't cuts spending which it basically has to - not to get political but as Gov't spending so goes DC - the huge growth over the last 20 years is about to come to a pretty significant halt. DC may feel the effects of the latest recession (Yes MD DC did not experience this for a reason) after other areas and may also recover after other areas. DC is growing not because DC is better (it is afine place FWIW) but because it was leveraged on out of control deficit spending by our Gov't - this not only has to be reduced (the spending) but we also need to use funds that would have been spent on paying down our debt.
Wishful thinking! We will see and we are still waiting for our job market to crash. Funny that our projects are still getting financed as many of your cites projects remain stalled. Wake me up when we stop booming.
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