Charlotte (NC) vs. Jacksonville (FL) (highest, skyline, Florida, live)

[adavi215]

Originally Posted by OrlFlaUsa

I can certainly agree, but IMO a good and accurate tier list for the SE should be as follows:

1. Atlanta & Miami: Nothing else is close, or even over 3 million.
2. Tampa for the top of tier 2 and Orlando nearer the bottom. These are the only 2 metros in the SE that are bonafided tier 2 cities. Pop Range 2-3 million.
3. *Charlotte tops this tear and despite its population shortcoming, makes a great case for being bumped up to tier 2 for the SE. Memphis and Nashville fill the middle, Jacksonville, NOLA, Raleigh, & Birmingham are at the bottom with just over 1 million.
4. Includes the big small towns like Greenville, Charleston, Savannah, Tally, and so forth.
5. No tier 5, the rest are just small towns typically not part of a larger metro that fits tiers 1-4.

Charlotte has more in common with Tampa and orlando than it does with Nashville, Memphis et all. What Charlotte lacks in amenities (as both areas in FL cater to tourist which gives it and advantage there) it makes up for as business center. Let's face it, Charlotte is more of a point of business than Tampa and Orlando.

[iMarvin]

Originally Posted by OrlFlaUsa

I can certainly agree, but IMO a good and accurate tier list for the SE should be as follows:

1. Atlanta & Miami: Nothing else is close, or even over 3 million.
2. Tampa for the top of tier 2 and Orlando nearer the bottom. These are the only 2 metros in the SE that are bonafided tier 2 cities. Pop Range 2-3 million.
3. *Charlotte tops this tear and despite its population shortcoming, makes a great case for being bumped up to tier 2 for the SE. Memphis and Nashville fill the middle, Jacksonville, NOLA, Raleigh, & Birmingham are at the bottom with just over 1 million.
4. Includes the big small towns like Greenville, Charleston, Savannah, Tally, and so forth.
5. No tier 5, the rest are just small towns typically not part of a larger metro that fits tiers 1-4.

I agree with tier 1 and 2, but tier 3 is wrong. Charlotte would be at the top, then Nashville, then Jacksonville, then Memphis. More people live in Jacksonville than Memphis and Nashville is right above Jacksonville. I think tier 3 is 1-2 million.

[iMarvin]

Originally Posted by adavi215

Charlotte has more in common with Tampa and orlando than it does with Nashville, Memphis et all. What Charlotte lacks in amenities (as both areas in FL cater to tourist which gives it and advantage there) it makes up for as business center. Let's face it, Charlotte is more of a point of business than Tampa and Orlando.

If Charlotte doesn't have the amenities, then it's not in the same tier whether NC is a tourist state or not. Cities in the same tier have the same amenities. Charlotte is still tier 3.

[OrlFlaUsa]

Originally Posted by adavi215

Charlotte has more in common with Tampa and orlando than it does with Nashville, Memphis et all. What Charlotte lacks in amenities (as both areas in FL cater to tourist which gives it and advantage there) it makes up for as business center. Let's face it, Charlotte is more of a point of business than Tampa and Orlando.

I agree and that's why I put an asterisk next to it and said it really belongs in the next tier. However, my tiers have certain metro area population perimeters and that's the only reason I had to put Charlotte at the top of the next tier down. Honestly don't put too much into the tiers themselves, cause Charlotte would be right behind Orlando & Tampa if it were bumped up to tier 2. Essentially it would go from being the top of a tier (3) to the bottom of a tier (2).

Originally Posted by iMarvin

I agree with tier 1 and 2, but tier 3 is wrong. Charlotte would be at the top, then Nashville, then Jacksonville, then Memphis. More people live in Jacksonville than Memphis and Nashville is right above Jacksonville. I think tier 3 is 1-2 million.

Good catch, metro Jacksonville has about 30,000 more people than Memphis, what can I say, it was late and they are basically the same size anyways.

Originally Posted by iMarvin

If Charlotte doesn't have the amenities, then it's not in the same tier whether NC is a tourist state or not. Cities in the same tier have the same amenities. Charlotte is still tier 3.

See I do think Charlotte has the tier 2 amentities, it just doesn't fit the arbitrary metro pop boundaries of 1-2 million that I set. Therefore I asterisked it.

[sweetchas]

I like Charlotte better.

[iMarvin]

Originally Posted by OrlFlaUsa

See I do think Charlotte has the tier 2 amentities, it just doesn't fit the arbitrary metro pop boundaries of 1-2 million that I set. Therefore I asterisked it.

I guess...

[OrlFlaUsa]

Originally Posted by iMarvin

I guess...

You do bring up a good point. What amenities do the larger 2-3 million metros in the SE offer that the smaller 1-2 million ones don't. While Tampa, Orlando, and Charlotte clearly lead the pack behind the bigger cities of Atlanta and Miami, I don't think they stand heads and shoulders above places like Nashville, Memphis, Jacksonville, etc. Yes they are larger (hence the tier separation I gave them), yes they do have certain things that bump them up a notch like Orlando's entertainment, Charlotte's banking industry, and Tampa's size & coastal location (ports, beaches), but for day to day life, I think you live a comparable lifestyle in any tier 2 & 3 city. Where the real drop off is when you hit tier 4 & 5 and the metro gets much smaller, same with airport, dining options, big name concerts, lack of professional sports, and so on.

[iMarvin]

Originally Posted by OrlFlaUsa

You do bring up a good point. What amenities do the larger 2-3 million metros in the SE offer that the smaller 1-2 million ones don't. While Tampa, Orlando, and Charlotte clearly lead the pack behind the bigger cities of Atlanta and Miami, I don't think they stand heads and shoulders above places like Nashville, Memphis, Jacksonville, etc. Yes they are larger (hence the tier separation I gave them), yes they do have certain things that bump them up a notch like Orlando's entertainment, Charlotte's banking industry, and Tampa's size & coastal location (ports, beaches), but for day to day life, I think you live a comparable lifestyle in any tier 2 & 3 city. Where the real drop off is when you hit tier 4 & 5 and the metro gets much smaller, same with airport, dining options, big name concerts, lack of professional sports, and so on.

Lol. Even though I didn't really bring up a point, you're right. I didn't really want to debate and everything you said is agreeable.

[adavi215]

Originally Posted by OrlFlaUsa

You do bring up a good point. What amenities do the larger 2-3 million metros in the SE offer that the smaller 1-2 million ones don't. While Tampa, Orlando, and Charlotte clearly lead the pack behind the bigger cities of Atlanta and Miami, I don't think they stand heads and shoulders above places like Nashville, Memphis, Jacksonville, etc. Yes they are larger (hence the tier separation I gave them), yes they do have certain things that bump them up a notch like Orlando's entertainment, Charlotte's banking industry, and Tampa's size & coastal location (ports, beaches), but for day to day life, I think you live a comparable lifestyle in any tier 2 & 3 city. Where the real drop off is when you hit tier 4 & 5 and the metro gets much smaller, same with airport, dining options, big name concerts, lack of professional sports, and so on.

I do agree that cities like Memphis and Nashville are not that far behind cities like Charlotte, Orlando and Tampa. However, since Orlando and Tampa (mainly Orlando) are catered to tourist their will be more entertainment attractions than some of the other SE metros. This not a bad thing at all. SO in that regard it is good. Charlotte, Memphis, and Nashville have great amenities as well but don't have as much entertainment as the Orlando. However, the NC & TN cities are moreso geared towards making money. Such as Charlotte's banking industry, energy, healthcare, and wholesale distribution.

I could go on, but population is a big fcator, more specifically the workforce population. This population actually influences what amenities should be located in cities/metros. The per capita income is also a good indicator as well.

[IAm_FloridaBorn]

Originally Posted by adavi215

Charlotte has more in common with Tampa and orlando than it does with Nashville, Memphis et all. What Charlotte lacks in amenities (as both areas in FL cater to tourist which gives it and advantage there) it makes up for as business center. Let's face it, Charlotte is more of a point of business than Tampa and Orlando.

Tourism is business.....