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I think Philly suffers extraordinarily from the NYC effect when it comes to rap, but other than The Roots I would not say Philly has an A-list rap act as of 2011, but then again I don't even know who gets that title for SF right now. I've listened to rap since 1984 and have heard plenty of rap and hip hop from both cities, hard to say one is truly better than the other. There's just no way to shine herein Philly with New York rappers doing their thing and stealing ALL the attention.
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Originally Posted by Nineties Flava
I wasn't saying he wasn't, I was making the point that not everybody in Philly thinks they're superior to the Bay
Honestly though, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say the Bay is a lot deeper than you probably think it is. You can find literally anything... judging from the Philly rappers you just mentioned, you would probably like Bay rappers like Ya Boy, Young Gully, Taj-He-Spitz, Locksmith, The Jacka, Johnny Ca$h (RIP), Chris The 5th, Da Vinci, Casual (of Hiero), etc.
Philly seems more urban to me because it feels more like New York. Philly is also tougher than SF which makes it feel more urban to me. Philly also has colder weather which gives it more of an urban feel to me. San Francisco has what I call golf weather. It really depends on how you define urban. So this is a matter of opinion. The East Coast is so much more urban to me. Seattle and Vancouver are have more of an urban feel to me than San Francisco. That's just my opinion though. Anyway you slice it though it's all about being compared to New York if you ask me. So which city is more like New York? Also, which city is more like Chicago? Diversity also makes a city feel more urban to me as well as lots of public transportation. I also like cities that have character and a bit of a gritty feel to them. NYC, Philly, and Chicago are the 3 most urban cities to me.
Philly seems more urban to me because it feels more like New York. Philly is also tougher than SF which makes it feel more urban to me. Philly also has colder weather which gives it more of an urban feel to me. San Francisco has what I call golf weather. It really depends on how you define urban. So this is a matter of opinion. The East Coast is so much more urban to me. Seattle and Vancouver are have more of an urban feel to me than San Francisco. That's just my opinion though. Anyway you slice it though it's all about being compared to New York if you ask me. So which city is more like New York? Also, which city is more like Chicago? Diversity also makes a city feel more urban to me as well as lots of public transportation. I also like cities that have character and a bit of a gritty feel to them. NYC, Philly, and Chicago are the 3 most urban cities to me.
Really? Seattle has more of an urban feel to you than San Francisco? Really?
You've clearly never been to either, then. I've lived in Seattle for years and have spent a lot of time in SF. It's not even close in terms of urbanity. San Francisco is wall-to-wall rowhouses, corner stores, and bustling commercial areas. Seattle has a good core and some active nodes, but much of the city is single-family residential areas. SF is way more vibrant, has a much bigger and denser downtown - it's more urban in every possible way. That's not to diss on Seattle, it's a city that is becoming increasingly more urban and has tons of potential. But it's not this - block after block of uber-dense development:
http://therumpus.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/san-francisco-smart-grid.jpg (broken link)
http://therumpus.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/san-francisco-smart-grid.jpg (broken link)
I can't post it here, but this picture shows what a monster SF's urbanity is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifes__too_short__to__drink__cheap__wine/2889197804/in/photostream/ (broken link)
Vancouver is somewhere in between, but still doesn't come close to the bustle of SF.
Really? Seattle has more of an urban feel to you than San Francisco? Really?
You've clearly never been to either, then. I've lived in Seattle for years and have spent a lot of time in SF. It's not even close in terms of urbanity. San Francisco is wall-to-wall rowhouses, corner stores, and bustling commercial areas. Seattle has a good core and some active nodes, but much of the city is single-family residential areas. SF is way more vibrant, has a much bigger and denser downtown - it's more urban in every possible way. That's not to diss on Seattle, it's a city that is becoming increasingly more urban and has tons of potential. But it's not this - block after block of uber-dense development:
I can't post it here, but this picture shows what a monster SF's urbanity is: San Francisco / Aerial / (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lifes__too_short__to__drink__cheap__wine/2889197804/in/photostream/ - broken link)
Vancouver is somewhere in between, but still doesn't come close to the bustle of SF.
Yeah, once you get out side of the inner core of Seattle or even some adjacent neighborhoods like the west side of Capitol Hill or Lower Queen Anne, Seattle for the most part is fairly low-key residential neighborhoods made up of single family homes and some condo development. Even Belltown, which has become denser in terms of development is pretty quiet compared to most neighborhoods in San Francisco. Even the Richmond District and Sunset feel much different than a neighborhood on the north or south side of Seattle.
Vancouver has a very dense central area stretching to the west of downtown, but outside of that area, it almost feels less urban than Seattle in parts. The further south you get it feels almost suburban in parts.
Yeah, once you get out side of the inner core of Seattle or even some adjacent neighborhoods like the west side of Capitol Hill or Lower Queen Anne, Seattle for the most part is fairly low-key residential neighborhoods made up of single family homes and some condo development. Even Belltown, which has become denser in terms of development is pretty quiet compared to most neighborhoods in San Francisco. Even the Richmond District and Sunset feel much different than a neighborhood on the north or south side of Seattle.
Vancouver has a very dense central area stretching to the west of downtown, but outside of that area, it almost feels less urban than Seattle in parts. The further south you get it feels almost suburban in parts.
Basically, youve got this core section of Seattle:
And much of this area (everything but the disinvested Denny Triange area) is quite urban and walkable. Youve also got Lower and Upper Queen Anne, South Lake Union, as well as Capitol Hill (past Pike/Pine) which are quite dense and urban. Plus, there are significant nodes with a lot of development, like the U District, Ballard, Fremont, etc.
However - In San Francisco, the whole City is bustling with urbanity. Like you say, even downtown neighborhoods in Seattle can be quieter than further out neighborhoods in San Francisco.
Again, it's not a diss on Seattle (which does better than most cities), San Francisco just has an amazingly consistant urban fabric and vibrancy that only a small handful of cities in the US can match
Just dug up this shot!
Philly Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagicdigital/6033896340/ - broken link) by imagic digital (http://www.flickr.com/people/imagicdigital/ - broken link), on Flickr
Just dug up this shot!
Philly Skyline (http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagicdigital/6033896340/ - broken link) by imagic digital (http://www.flickr.com/people/imagicdigital/ - broken link), on Flickr
That is an awesome pic!
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