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LOL!!! Now I'm convinced you're just a troll. You have no credibility whatsoever. Tenderloin denser than Harlem, huh? I'll have to file that one under the "all time dumbest statements made on C-D" along with (1) Cleveland having a larger banking industry than Charlotte and Chicago and (2) Midtown Atlanta being more walkable with more public transit options than Back Bay, Boston.
Whew! I've heard it all on here. It's amazing the stupid stuff homerism makes people say.
I realize you guys do serious NY stroking but I didnt realize it was actually worship.
LOL.
And the tenderloin district in your link is .35 sq miles versus 3.88 sq miles for Harlem more than ten times larger in area. Also reduced to the tracts around the Northwest portion of Central park there is significantly larger area of significantly higher ppsm. But again we all agree that the tenderloin has an uber high and small footprint that exceeds that of Philly.
And the tenderloin district in your link is .35 sq miles versus 3.88 sq miles for Harlem nearly ten times larger in area. Also reduced to the tracts around the Northwest portion of Central park there is significantly larger area of significantly higher ppsm. But again we all agree that the tenderloin has an uber high and small footprint that exceeds that of Philly.
And this isnt even the densest part of Manhattan
Harlem is the densest part of Manhattan. There are areas with taller buildings, but Harlem's housing projects by far make it the densest residential area of New York City.
I started a new thread about this just to see how far the delusion truly extends.
"desperate and trite" - And yet I must me some kind of mad genius, as I have apparently discovered a view of SF, previously unknown to man, that makes the city look bad? That is delusional, I was aiming the virtual camera at each cities CBD, placing the top of each of the tallest buildings just above the horizon line. That's all I was doing, certainly I didn't try to find the most flattering view of Philly, either... but to imply that I somehow deliberately found a particular, unflattering view of SF just to make a point is facetious.
My shot. A rooftop panorama of Center City at night:
philly nightpano (http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagicdigital/5888352126/ - broken link) by imagic digital (http://www.flickr.com/people/imagicdigital/ - broken link), on Flickr
My own shot, taken from a helicopter a couple months ago.
Center City, Philadelphia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagicdigital/5900916479/ - broken link) by imagic digital (http://www.flickr.com/people/imagicdigital/ - broken link), on Flickr
Reverse view:
Philadelphia Center City from 30'th st. station (http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagicdigital/5880450111/ - broken link) by imagic digital (http://www.flickr.com/people/imagicdigital/ - broken link), on Flickr
Midtown Manhattan. Exactly which part of SF is supposedly denser?
Midtown Manhattan, NY - Helictoper Aerial from Downtown / Hudson (http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagicdigital/5474411584/ - broken link) by imagic digital (http://www.flickr.com/people/imagicdigital/ - broken link), on Flickr
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair
And being jealous is not very appealling either.
Deliberately picking an unflattering view of SF is desparate and in this thread, trite.
I did some research using city-data.com-using SFs current population density of 17,127 as a benchmark, I compiled a list of neighborhoods in each city that had densities in excess of 17,127 persons per square mile and here are the results:
Philadelphia Neighborhood, Population/Area in Sq Miles/Population Density 30,000+ppsm Antique Row, 1,002/0.027/37,402 Gayborhood, 4,356/0.118/37,009 Powelton Village, 4,996/0.156/32,108 South Philadelphia, 22,053/0.702/31,414 Financial District, 1,913/0.063/30,274 Spruce Hill, 8,289/0.274/30,215
20,000-29,999 ppsm Rittenhouse, 19,917/0.665/29,938 Dickinson Narrows, 5,513/0.188/29,273 Washington Square, 12,372/0.426/29,044 Newbold, 13,106/0.463/28,295 Restaurant Row, 183/0.007/28,133 East Passyunk Crossing, 8,188/0.306/26,753 Penn Campus Shopping/West Philly 5,522/0.210/26,275 3rd St Fabric Row, 139/.006/25,019 Point Breeze, 25,689/1.054/24,547 Girard Estate, 10,157/0.414/24,508 Harrowgate, 16,681/0.699/23,878 Avenue of the Arts, 393/0.017/23,750 Passyunk Square, 11,608/0.500/23,196 Filter Square, 4,694/0.203/23,100 Fairmount, 5,918/0.259/22,826 Chestnut Street, 595/.026/22,505 Bella Vista, 4,456/.200/22,284 Wharton, 24,742/1.089/22,728 Garden Court, 7,695/0.347/22,204 Carroll Park, 12,733/0.588/21,652 Cedar Park, 15,755/0.717/21,988 Spring Garden, 6,715/0.312/21,552 Center City West, 26,037/1.203/21,642 Haddington, 27,138/1.275/21,285 Bainbidge St Booksellers Row, 765/.036/21,202 Cobbs Creek, 40,433/1.979/20,431 Oregon Av Discount Shopping, 1,477/0.072/20,430 Fairhill, 28,456/1.415/20,112
17,127-19,999 ppsm 63rd St Discount Shopping, 1,777/.091/19,558 Society Hill, 6,413/0.330/19,429 Baring, 13,721/0.708/19,392 Southwest Center City, 9,816/0.508/19,325 Queen Village, 6,038/0.313/19,312 Italian Market, 2,424/0.126/19,240 Penn Center, 1,386/0.073/18,869 Passyunk Discount Shopping, 772/0.041/18,743 The Badlands, 5,349/0.288/18.586 Walnut Hill, 5,678/0.312/ 18,204 Squirrel Hill, 6,611/0.366/18,052 South Street, 1,092/0.061/17,831 Fairmount, 21,329/1.232/17,309 Olney, 37,253/2.109/17.667 Brewerytown, 11,966/.694/17,249 West Oak Lane, 39,254/2.277/17,236
San Francisco Neighborhood, Population/Area in Sq Miles/Population Density 50,000+ ppsm Little Saigon, 985/0.012/83,075 Tenderloin, 24,913/ 0.350/ 71,254 Chinatown, 13,103/0.212/61,897 Lower Nob Hill, 18,713/0.344/54,467 Nob Hill, 20,396/0.395/51,694
30,000-49,999 ppsm Downtown San Francisco, 21,021/0.426/49,335 Telegraph Hill, 8,275/0.215/38,513 NOMA, 72,484/1,974/36,724 Mint Hill, 2,762/0.080/34,348 Polk Gulch, 3,195/0.094/33,955 North Beach, 20,193/0.620/32,594 The Hub(Mid Market), 2,684/0.085/31,633 Hayes Valley, 5,698/0.180/31,619 Deco Ghetto, 2,881/0.092/31,220 Mission Dolores, 10,846/0.352/30,839 Alamo Square, 5,573/0.181/30,815 Lower Haight, 9,074/0.298/30,500 Baja Noe, 2,106/0.069/30,334
20,000-29,999 ppsm Transmission, 3,195/0.113/28,317 Western Addition, 12,889/0.463/27,822 Haight-Ashubry, 10,603/0.390/27,207 Russian Hill, 13,361/0.500/26,698 Mission, 47,276/1.876/25,352 Cole Valley, 4,192/0.169/24,737 North Panhandle, 10,049/0.377/24,622 Little Russia, 2,755/0.113/24,308 Lower Pacific Heights, 10,715/0.442/24,242 Inner Richmond, 17,116/0.707/24,223 Sunnydale, 4,592/0.191/23,997 Cathedral Hill, 2,827/0.120/23,592 Central Richmond, 24,785/1.081/22,933 Richmond, 59,324/2.705/21,930 Crocker Amazon, 11,910/0.568/20,971 Duboce Triangle, 3,674/0.178/20,667 Pacific Heights, 21,899/0.967/22,650 Zion, 6,423/0.302/21,253 Cow Hollow, 7,260/0.356/20,422 Inner Sunset, 18,200/0.893/20,386
17,127-19,999 ppsm Lake, 8,297/0.421/19,718 Ingleside, 8,165/0.414/19,715 Outer Mission, 8,410/0.429/19,596 Civic Center, 9,629/0.492/19,566 Castro, 12,594/0.662/19,027 Van Ness, 8,933/0.473/18,871 Bernal Heights South, 15,773/0.842/18,731 Mastro, 2,962/0.158/18,701 Bernal Heights, 24,818/1.320/18,313 Lone Mountain, 7,081/0.386/18,330 Noe Valley, 20,993/1.147/18,308 Bernal Heights North, 8,573/0.470/18,230 Upper Market, 2,911/0.163/17,858 Park Merced, 6,834/0.387/17,648 Silver Terrace, 8,499/0.485/17,535 Excelsior, 23,528/1.350/17,422 Central Sunset, 20,196/1.176/17,171
All Philadelphia Neighborhoods with a Density of 17,129+ Combined Area: 25.545 sq. miles Combined Population: 544,604 Population Per Square Mile: 21,319
All San Francisco neighborhoods with a density of 17,129+ Combined Area: 29.253 sq. miles. Combined Population: 655,534 Population Per Square Mile: 22,750
Top 10 Neighborhoods, Philadelphia
Combined Area: 3.082 sq. miles
Combined Population: 93,517
Population Per square Mile: 30,342
Top 10 Neighborhoods, San Francisco
Combined Area: 4.722 sq. miles.
Combined Population: 206,040
Persons Per sqauare Mile: 43,634
Top 5 Philadelphia Neighborhoods
Combined Area: 1.066 sq. miles
Combined Population: 34,320
Population Per Square Mile: 32,195
Top 5 SF Neighborhoods
Combined Area: 1.421 sq. miles
Combined Population: 78,110
Population Per Square Mile: 54,968
Philadephia Neighorhoods with a Density of 30,000+ppsm
Combined Area: 1.34 sq. miles
Combined Population: 42,609
Population Per Square Miles: 31,797
San Francisco Neighborhoods with a Density of 30,000+ppsm
Combined Area: 5.979 sq. miles
Combined Population: 244,902
Population Per Square Mile: 40,960
Here are some pictures of SF's densest neighborhood, the Tenderloin. Nowhere in Philly is as densely populated as this neighborhood...there are multiple tracts in the TL that are more than twice as dense as the densest tracts in Philly:
All sizes | Tenderloin SF night | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dreaminof1or2/669435642/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Looking For Dashiell Hammett | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bats1234/4526006167/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | View from Top of the Mark | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pyrokinetic/4329473855/sizes/l/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Toward the Tenderloin, SF. | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/giskard/2989160106/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | The Hamilton - 631 O'Farrell Street, SF (built 1929) - view from Larkin @ O'Farrell | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/4242323160/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Street Wall | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/15316475@N04/3442023269/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | A View of San Francisco Skyline from a Tenderloin Apartment | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamjackson/4946298954/sizes/l/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Tenderloin, San Francisco | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveglass/4263095268/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | 700 block of O'Farrell Street | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/4242321418/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | View from our Balcony | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sirgious/3623725014/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Jones St- Tenderloin SF | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/5150fag/4335194129/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | view from Cosmo Place and Ophir Alley, San Francisco | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/3829573710/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Taylor Street, San Francisco - view south from Sutter Street | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/4199721602/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
All sizes | Eddy Street, SF - view east from Hyde Street | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/anomalous_a/4236502352/sizes/z/in/photostream/ - broken link)
Cool pics but outside of a few there are comprable areas in Philly. For the record i agree the tenderloin is more dense than any single area in Philly but again that is not all or nearly all of even the central part of SF
density | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ropergees/4647276922/ - broken link)
Windows On The City | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/phillytrax/4503720937/ - broken link)
Philadelphia Architecture- Apartment Building in Center City | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/michistar/2793704650/ - broken link)
tall old apartment buildings off of Rittenhouse Square | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamsjp2010/2396059872/ - broken link)
View from the Holiday Inn Express in Philadelphia | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimfrazier/329515006/ - broken link)
Reversing the view, and making sure Philly looks as unflattering as possible. I object to the idea that 'most urban' is now being defined as the city with neighborhood that happens to be the densest by some random metric.
Philly-vs-SF2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/imagicdigital/6005403383/ - broken link) by imagic digital (http://www.flickr.com/people/imagicdigital/ - broken link), on Flickr
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair
*yawns*
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