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Old 08-26-2007, 12:57 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Dirtiest: Philly

Cleanest: Madison
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Old 08-26-2007, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Tuxedo Park, NY
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Dirtiest: Philadelphia I think easily, although I've heard KC has a problem
NYC doesn't bother me, but I really stick to Manhattan Downtown and Midtown West so I can't speak for much else.

Cleanest: I found Denver to be quite impeccable.

Outside of US, hands down Paris. Spotless when I was there.
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:06 AM
 
Location: N GA Mountains
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Default Culture does matter

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I think density is part of the problem since more people = more trash.

However a city's culture/behavior is a bigger part of the problem. A city like Tokyo is INCREDIBLY dense, much more so than NYC. However Tokyo is spotlessly clean. Why? Because people over in Japan are OCD when it comes to cleanliness. Store owners will literally get down on their hands and knees on a daily basis to scrub the sidewalk outside of their stores. Futhermore it is a part of Japan's culture not to mess up public spaces. The vast majority of people try not to litter and women in particular find it quite offensive if someone makes a mess of some public space or litters.

Singapore is another example of a spotlessly clean city that is fairly dense. Why is Singapore clean? Because the government makes it a very high priority to keep the city clean by hiring lots of sanitation workers and also forcing the police to fine people for littering.

I used to live in Singapore and everyday I would walk along the same sidewalk in the morning. Like clockwork an older sanitation worker would be out there with his beat up broom and pail mopping up branches, leaves, and dirt off of the sidewalk. Every single day, not once in a while or only when the sidewalk was dirty, but every day.

Thats the difference between a place like Singapore and cities in America. Over there the government is incredibly concerned about their image and as a result puts the cleanliness of the city as a very high priority. Cities in America by comparison have the cleanliness of their cities as one of their lowest priorities.

People litter all the time in American cities and get away with it. Beyond the fact that police aren't too concerned with fining people for littering (its a very low priority to them compared with their other police duties) the fines aren't even that significant. In comparison, in Singapore you can be fined $1,000 for throwing a rapper on the ground and the Police have a zero tolerance policy for littering. To compound things the sanitation workers we have in America are often lazy or incompetent. As a result, nothing gets cleaned up after the slobs have thrown their trash on the streets or subways.
That's the real problem - some people don't care and don't take responsbility for their own waste. They are such slobs that they just throw their trash down anywhere that's why there is trash everywhere. It goes down to the government not making sanitation a priority. Just look at all the overflowing trash cans. The people that try to throw things away have no place to throw them away. It is our society that does not put a high value on being clean.
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:11 AM
 
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one place thats become just beautiful is Houston, Duluth used to be very dirty but there doing a great job on cleaning it up.
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:11 AM
 
Location: N GA Mountains
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Dirtiest - St. Louis
Cleanest - Washington, DC (with a foot of snow)
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:20 AM
 
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Immigrants don't know any better. Others just ride the wave of popular culture. Wannabes. Too much "Sex in The City", "TRL" and "Friends". Life in NYC is nothing like that. Unless your very wealthy. I honestly think a lot of people would at least like to visit, I don't think most people honestly want to live here. This is a pro city site on the internet so of course you are going to hear from a lot of NYC fans.

I really never understood why NYC is so filthy. The worse though is right before businesses open in the morning. Before they sweep up the sidewalks in front. You have to litterally kick your way through many retail areas in NYC in the early AM. Also the lower income areas are the filthiest overall.

Philly comes close, I guess it's due to the same factors just to a lesser extreme.

Some pictures of NYC filth:

http://www.filthymess.com/images/iloveny.jpg (broken link)
The cause of a lot of litter. Not enough, and always packed to the brim.

http://www.filthymess.com/images/trash_on_42nd.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_wendysfries.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_condom.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_citibankbag2.jpg (broken link)

NYC TRANSIT:

http://www.filthymess.com/images/rat.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/2ave.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/2ave2.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/ftrain.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/vomit2edit.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/crab_on_subway.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_gumstain2.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_stationtrash2.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_subpizza1.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_trashnews1.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_railties2.jpg (broken link)

Grand Central Station:

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_gct_hudson2.jpg (broken link)

http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_gcttrash1.jpg (broken link)

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http://www.filthymess.com/images/s_tracktr4.jpg (broken link)
Not only shocking, but sad as well. Do you attribute this to apathy or an understaffed city sanitation department, or both? Thanks for the posting and I suspect NYC has one of the largest populations of rats in the nation, if not the world.
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Hughes County, Oklahoma
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Dirtiest - New Orleans
Cleanest - Green Bay
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Old 08-26-2007, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Dirtiest: Paris
Cleanest: Madison, Salt Lake
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Old 08-26-2007, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Bronx, NY
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In NYC the dynamic is pretty much the same as anywhere else in the country, the dirt is just magnified by tne number of people. The local people are slobs and don't care if they litter, the sanitation workers are lazy or incompetent (a lot of people in charge of cleaning places like the subway or the city parks are taken from the roles of the welfare to work programs), and the police don't go out of their way to fine people for littering.

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Not only shocking, but sad as well. Do you attribute this to apathy or an understaffed city sanitation department, or both? Thanks for the posting and I suspect NYC has one of the largest populations of rats in the nation, if not the world.
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Old 08-26-2007, 10:09 AM
 
Location: in a house
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All those photos are from wealthy neighborhoods in Manhattan. Only the ones I seperated and pointed out are from the hoods of the city.

There is a lot of trash but it's not that big a deal unless you are a clean freak. Big cities are dirty. Although some things are dangerous to the public like unsanitary conditions in the subway system (Think subway fires) and air pollution.

Hey at least the water is okay so long as your pipes aren't rotting.

This thread needs more pictures though... Philly also appears to be filthy.
Did you personally take any of these pics and if not, where did you go to find them,yuck!
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