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Most have moved to suburban areas; Italians in Mayfield, Lake County; Irish west side city/west suburbs. Watch "Kill the Irishman" and you will plainly see that this movie could only take place in Cleveland...and not Indy or Cbus.
The late 1970's were tough times for the Italian mob and for Cleveland (and across the country for that matter)...the movie represents Jews, Irish, Polish, and even Danny's Litunanian friend. Although it was a violent time, it does represent much of the ethnic mix of the city.
Diversity to me is more than hispanics, blacks and asians...what about polish, irish, lithuanian, ukranians, romanians, italians etc. Where is Indy's Little Italy?
Or Columbus's Chinatown?
Check out St. John the Baptist Church in Columbus where masses are still said in Italian or the Columbus Italian festival. Bexley still retains a heavy Jewish influence and the schools there are closed for Rosh Hashanah. Columbus has plenty of people with German, Irish and Russian and ancestory as well. Not as many southern and eastern european descended people in Columbus or Indy as Cleveland or Pittsburgh for sure, but not nonexistent either. Still, how many people are speaking the "old country" languages anymore? Or going to the old ethnic parishes?
Columbus' Chinatown? The lineup of asian restaurants and stores on Bethel Road is impressive and find me another city in Ohio that has a larger asian population by percentage than Dublin which is at 15.3%.
Still, how many people are speaking the "old country" languages anymore?
Very few. Even if you go to Chicago's Greektown, it's very apparent that it's a facade. Most all of these so-called European "ethnic" neighborhoods are that way today. The businesses may be there, and they may be thriving, but the owners no longer live in the neighborhood (they moved to suburbia), and they're as Americanized as you and me.
Check out St. John the Baptist Church in Columbus where masses are still said in Italian or the Columbus Italian festival. Bexley still retains a heavy Jewish influence and the schools there are closed for Rosh Hashanah. Columbus has plenty of people with German, Irish and Russian and ancestory as well. Not as many southern and eastern european descended people in Columbus or Indy as Cleveland or Pittsburgh for sure, but not nonexistent either. Still, how many people are speaking the "old country" languages anymore? Or going to the old ethnic parishes?
Columbus' Chinatown? The lineup of asian restaurants and stores on Bethel Road is impressive and find me another city in Ohio that has a larger asian population by percentage than Dublin which is at 15.3%.
Going to a church and an annual Italian Festival is Columbus's answer for a Littel Italy? Most cities have cashed-in on this festival stuff, especially the St Patrick's Day nonsense. Been in Columbus on St Patrick's Day...lame. Cbus/Indy can't cut the mustard with ethnic neighborhoods, sorry.
Check out St. John the Baptist Church in Columbus where masses are still said in Italian or the Columbus Italian festival. Bexley still retains a heavy Jewish influence and the schools there are closed for Rosh Hashanah. Columbus has plenty of people with German, Irish and Russian and ancestory as well. Not as many southern and eastern european descended people in Columbus or Indy as Cleveland or Pittsburgh for sure, but not nonexistent either. Still, how many people are speaking the "old country" languages anymore? Or going to the old ethnic parishes?
Columbus' Chinatown? The lineup of asian restaurants and stores on Bethel Road is impressive and find me another city in Ohio that has a larger asian population by percentage than Dublin which is at 15.3%.
Suburban new Chinatowns don't cut it either...sounds like strip malls.
Very few. Even if you go to Chicago's Greektown, it's very apparent that it's a facade. Most all of these so-called European "ethnic" neighborhoods are that way today. The businesses may be there, and they may be thriving, but the owners no longer live in the neighborhood (they moved to suburbia), and they're as Americanized as you and me.
Actually, for all of Chicago's bragging about its melting pot, it doesn't have a real a real Little Italy either (odd considering how Italian Chicago claims to be) and the ''Greektown'' is a few restaurants...nothing big. Now, when I was in Cleveland's Little Italy, being on a hill with the commuter train over the bridge, it reminded me of Boston...and the Shaker Square area where two other commuter trains pass through definitely has an eastern city feel to it.
Suburban new Chinatowns don't cut it either...sounds like strip malls.
But if it's happening organically, why does it matter if it's happening in strip malls? The same thing is happening in the Lafayette Square area of Indy. Seems to me you're just more interested in aesthetics.
Going to a church and an annual Italian Festival is Columbus's answer for a Littel Italy? Most cities have cashed-in on this festival stuff, especially the St Patrick's Day nonsense. Been in Columbus on St Patrick's Day...lame. Cbus/Indy can't cut the mustard with ethnic neighborhoods, sorry.
God, I wish I lived in either Pittsburgh or Cleveland. Apparently, somewhere along the way, they both became the cradles of western civilization and the most cultured places west of the Appalachians.
Sorry bud, I've lived in three of the four cities being compared here and you overrate one of them significantly (Pittsburgh) and you underrate the other two even more (Indy and Columbus).
But if it's happening organically, why does it matter if it's happening in strip malls? The same thing is happening in the Lafayette Square area of Indy. Seems to me you're just more interested in aesthetics.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Most likely a stereotypical hipster we're dealing with here.
By the way, I was back in Indy over the holiday weekend and spent some time over by Lafayette Sq and I swear that almost none of those restaurants even existed a couple of years ago. That has been a mighty impressive transformation in such a short period of time! Indy is looking better than ever and, like my new home in KC, is moving in the right direction much quicker than any of the other three cities on this poll.
Going to a church and an annual Italian Festival is Columbus's answer for a Littel Italy? Most cities have cashed-in on this festival stuff, especially the St Patrick's Day nonsense. Been in Columbus on St Patrick's Day...lame. Cbus/Indy can't cut the mustard with ethnic neighborhoods, sorry.
Columbus used to have several Italian neighborhoods, including Italian Village which is where the Italian-speaking parish is still located as is the festival. Grandview Heights had a large Italian population as did San Margherita, which still has St. Margaret of Cortona parish. However, like the Hungarians in Hungarian Village and Germans in German Village, etc., most of the second, third and fourth generations of these groups have moved to the suburbs and away from the older neighborhoods. I suspect the same thing has happened in Cleveland too.
The true ethnic neighborhoods now are often times located far away from downtown, often times in newer areas dotted with apartment complexes and strip malls. Many Mexicans live on the far west side along Broad Street and Sullivant Avenue, Chinese, Indians and Koreans in Northwest Columbus, Somalians (Columbus has the second largest such population in the country) near Morse Road and Cleveland Avenue, and Russians near Bexley.
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