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View Poll Results: Cleveland or Boston
Cleveland 44 25.29%
Boston 130 74.71%
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:47 AM
 
Location: London, UK & Doha, Qatar
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Usall, I have a better understanding of how you measure distance to a Level I trauma center but I still do not know if there is a state in this country which can reasonably guarantee every resident in the suburbs walking distance to a Level I trauma center as that is just unrealistic.

As far as Massachusetts is concerned access to a Level 1-3 Trauma center is quite impressive, especially when considering the size and population of the State (American College of Surgeons: Trauma Programs: Consultations/Verification Programs: Verified Trauma Centers)

Also do not discount the use of an ambulance service to transport you to the nearest center. The EMT's provide a valuable and life saving service. They also have the luxury of bypassing traffic signals, something a cab driver cannot do, even in an emergency. I know you were speaking from your own personal point of view though.
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Old 03-02-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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Boston does have a national park, Lowell national park, there is even white water rafting.
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Old 03-02-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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I bet you never even been to Cleveland, Milwaukee, or Pittsburgh. Typical Boston arrogant snob that just blabbers out of his ass.
that comment makes you no better than them.
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Old 03-02-2012, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Chicago (from pittsburgh)
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this thread is snark-city
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Old 03-03-2012, 10:37 AM
 
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The Charles beats the Cuyahoga river within the cities as it pretains to recreation and athestectics, outside the city Cuyahoga gorge is moree scenic than Charles,s
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Old 03-03-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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This thread should get more pictures, especially ground-level ones of neighborhoods. It'd be especially great for Cleveland, because most people just post pics of Cleveland's skyline or individual campuses/buildings for their architecture. How about more pics of interesting neighborhoods?
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Running out the door right now, but here are some cool neighborhoods in Cleveland outside of Downtown:

University Circle/Little Italy University Circle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tremont Tremont, Cleveland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Shaker Square Buckeye-Shaker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ohio City Ohio City, Cleveland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-03-2012, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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This video has some footage of various neighborhoods as well:



Cleveland's Case Western Reserve University School of Law - YouTube
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Old 03-03-2012, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Actually, both metro areas have their collection of hospitals designated as
Level 1 Trauma Centers (as well as Level 2 and Level 3) and both have multiple cancer treatment centers to partake of.

(NOTE: A LEVEL 1 TRAUMA CENTER is a hospital that is supposed to have on-hand, 24/7 and every single day of the year, every type of doctor, medical specialist, surgeon, and every type of technology, equipment and treatment options on-hand as well as an adequate-enough supply of said medical professionals to handle any type of possible emergency or trauma that can come into their emergency center WITHOUT having to re-direct or transport that person to some other medical institution that is better able to handle the emergency or trauma in question. Then Level 2 and Level 3 are, as you can figure, somewhat lesser degrees of capability to handle any type of possible medical or physical emergency or trauma. And there are a whole host of hospitals-- even some whom, by appearances, seem to have adequate facilities and staff --that have NO TRAUMA CENTER DESIGNATION AT ALL.)


In greater Boston/Eastern Massachusetts, the
ONLY Level 1 Trauma Center-designated hospitals are Mass General Hospital, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Beth Israel Deaconess Hospital, and Boston Medical Center (per Jan-Feb 2012). That is, a grand total of 4 hospitals per this writing. With only 4 hospitals in the whole Metro Boston/Eastern Massachusetts region designated as a Level 1 Trauma Center and one of them is in downtown Boston, one is in the southern end of the South End neighborhood, and the other two are alongside one another in the Longwood Medical Area adjoining Harvard Medical School (which means ALL of these 4 hospital are situated in what can be called central Boston), if, in an emergency, a trauma victim is not too close or proximate to those neighborhoods within the City of Boston (central Boston, in particular) or, for that matter, one is located in one of the suburbs or exurbs of the Boston metro area, you may not be able to get yourself or be gotten by other persons or by ambulance or by the police to a Level 1 Trauma Center in a timely-enough manner to save your life or physical well-being. Ideally, Level 1 Trauma Centers should be spread around a metro area in all or nearly all quadrants of that metro area (i.e., north, south, east, west, northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest) or nearly so . . . because time is of the essence when you are a victim of serious physical trauma. The next nearest Level 1 Trauma Center to those 4 hospitals mentioned above (all of which are located in or very near to the heart of central Boston, in the City of Boston itself and some of them rather close to or even alongside one another) is 40-45 miles to the west of Boston (i.e., UMass Medical Center in Worcester, MA).


NOTE: On 12/31/2011, I had asked an emergency room staffer at Tufts Medical Center, which is connected to Tufts University School of Medicine, why they were not a Level 1 Trauma Center but rather a Level 2 Trauma Center. She said that they were likely going to become a Level 1 Trauma Center after the end of 2012. Is or was this true or not? I don't know. Has it been done yet? I don't know. Yet even if it has become a Level 1 Trauma Center already, Tufts Medical Center is in downtown Boston and we already have another Level 1 Trauma Center in downtown Boston (Mass General Hospital).


Now, here are some hopes of mine (regarding every person in our region who is a serious trauma victim having the closest and fastest access to a LEVEL 1 TRAUMA CENTER . . . not just those persons situated close enough to the core of Central Boston such as Downtown, Back Bay/South End, and Fenway (where ALL of the present four Level 1 Trauma Centers are located):


(1) If Steward St. Elizabeth's Hospital (in Brighton), which I dont see as having any trauma center designation (even though it is a large and modern hospital campus) would become a Level 1 Trauma Center, that would take care of the large stretch of Allston, Brighton, part of Watertown, and part of Brookline.

(2) If Steward Carney Hospital (in lower Dorchester) would become a Level 1 Trauma Center, that would take care of the large stretch of greater southern Boston (Dorchester, Neponset, Lower Mills, Milton, Mattapan, Roxbury, et al).

(3) If Quincy Medical Center (in Quincy) would become a Level 1 Trauma Center, that would take care of a good portion of the upper South Shore communities (Quincy, Braintree, Weymouth, Milton, et al).

(4) If Mount Auburn Hospital (in Cambridge), which is presently designated as a Level 2 Trauma Center, would become a Level 1 Trauma Center, that would be even better and take care of Cambridge, Watertown, Somerville, Arlington, and a host of nearby communities. (NOTE: Both the nearby Cambridge Hospital and Somerville Hospital, which are both part of the Cambridge Health Alliance or CHA system, are both way too small-scale community hospitals and too far down in development to be any type of trauma center. Only their neighboring Mount Auburn Hospital presently fits the bill for their area.)

(5) If Melrose-Wakefield Hospital (in Melrose) would become a Level 1 Trauma Center, that would take care of the large stretch of north-of-Boston municipalities that are within the MBTA T (Train) system such as Malden, Melrose, Revere, Everett, Winchester, Saugus, and other nearby communities.

(6) If
Newton-Wellesley Hospital (in the western area of the sizable suburban city of Newton) would become a Level 1 Trauma Center, that would take care of a good portion of the near-western suburbs immediately west of Boston-Cambridge, such as Newton, Waltham, Needham, Wellesley, Weston, part of Watertown, and other nearby communities.

(7) If North Shore Medical Center Salem Hospital (in Salem, which is presently a Level 3 Trauma Center), would become a Level 1 Trauma Center, that would take care of a good portion of the near-northern suburbs immediately north of the MBTA T train system communities such as Salem, Lynn, Swampscott, Saugus, Nahant, Marblehead, Peabody, Beverly, Wakefield, and other nearby communities.

(8) If Lahey Clinic (primarily in Burlington, but also in Peabody . . . with at least the Burlington campus presently being a Level 2 Trauma Center) would become a Level 1 Trauma Center, that would take care of a good portion of the suburbs and communities lying northwest of central Boston outside the MBTA T system such as Burlington, Woburn, Bedford, Lexington, Wilmington, Reading, Wakefield, and other nearby communities.



I could perhaps go on with other examples, but presumably you get the picture. Again, time is of the essence in a true serious physical or medical trauma. Having ALL of the present Level 1 Trauma Centers located relatively near to one another (all in central or near-central Boston) instead of spread out over the various quadrants of the metro area and region doesnt bode well for all the residents and visitors who reside or work or travel/tour through all the other communities, neighborhoods, and municipalities inside and around greater Boston/Eastern Massachusetts. So, is greater Boston really, really measurably better than greater Cleveland in this regard? Im not too sure. Id have to do more research on the matter.
All I read is, "I'm a pedant."
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:52 AM
 
Location: So Paulo
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All I read is, "I'm a pedant."
Was that necessary?
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