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Old 09-21-2011, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Rockville, MD
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Yes, but those cities more than make up for it with infrastructure. Take Paris for example. Show me an American city that looks like this...

48.85712,2.35307 - Google Maps
Parts of DC do. Certainly not the entirety of the city, or block-after-block a la Paris, but you can see the Parisian influence:

washington, dc - Google Maps
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Old 09-21-2011, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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If this is the case than these people have horrible research skills; the length of rail only tells one side of the story; DART [DFW] has horrible ridership numbers and not very convenient. Houston's measly 7.5 miles ranks 2nd in riders per square miles and attracts more than half of the ridership DART [70+ miles] attracts.
not to mention that ATL's ridership has not really changed since the last GaWc survey, so why all of a sudden it has jumped to alpha?

And why was it alpha in 2000 and not alpha in the survey after that?
Did it loose some of its rail in 2000 or something??
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Old 09-21-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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If this is the case than these people have horrible research skills; the length of rail only tells one side of the story; DART [DFW] has horrible ridership numbers and not very convenient. Houston's measly 7.5 miles ranks 2nd in riders per square miles and attracts more than half of the ridership DART [70+ miles] attracts.
Houston's riders per mile would drop if the system went out to areas of the metro with far less density (like Dallas's does). That said, Houston is only out of the Alpha- category due to competition from 8 different cities in other countries. IMO, that makes Houston an Alpha- by US standards (I guess).
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Old 09-21-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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not to mention that ATL's ridership has not really changed since the last GaWc survey, so why all of a sudden it has jumped to alpha?

And why was it alpha in 2000 and not alpha in the survey after that?
Did it loose some of its rail in 2000 or something??
Right lol!

Now that we've debunked that theory; lets see what they'll come up with next.

"Well Atlanta has more celebrities!"
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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Parts of DC do. Certainly not the entirety of the city, or block-after-block a la Paris, but you can see the Parisian influence:

washington, dc - Google Maps
Yes, I am aware of DC!!! However, that is what I meant; blocks after blocks of that particular old urban look. FWIW, DC is an Alpha while Paris is an Alpha+. Both are cities that don't really need the skyline category to give them a boost. They have the look, the popularity, and the mass transit to back up their Alpha status.
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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Houston's riders per mile would drop if the system went out to areas of the metro with far less density (like Dallas's does). That said, Houston is only out of the Alpha- category due to competition from 8 different cities in other countries. IMO, that makes Houston an Alpha- by US standards (I guess).
still doesn't make sense. If areas are competing with each other the ones that excel in most categories would make the list. what brilliant categories does ATL, Miami and DFW (even Philadelphia) excel in and Houston doesn't??
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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Right lol!

Now that we've debunked that theory; lets see what they'll come up with next.

"Well Atlanta has more celebrities!"
I think it has something to do with Real Housewives.

Hasn't all those cities hosted a real housewives TV show ??
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: The City
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If this is the case than these people have horrible research skills; the length of rail only tells one side of the story; DART [DFW] has horrible ridership numbers and not very convenient. Houston's measly 7.5 miles ranks 2nd in riders per square miles and attracts more than half of the ridership DART [70+ miles] attracts.
2nd to what, not sure what this means.

On the whole these metrics are to be taken with a grain of salt. In 2008 Philly was a gamma and now alpha - trust me things have not changed that dramatically in 24 months for this movement. End of the day there are collection of cities in the US below the first tier that are very important both domestically as well as in terms of commerce.

Unless this building somehow put over the top...




1706 Rittenhouse Square behind Lady Justice, both under construction | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/always-movin/3971165950/ - broken link)
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:32 AM
 
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still doesn't make sense. If areas are competing with each other the ones that excel in most categories would make the list. what brilliant categories does ATL, Miami and DFW (even Philadelphia) excel in and Houston doesn't??
Rail transit.
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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2nd to what, not sure what this means.

On the whole these metrics are to be taken with a grain of salt. In 2008 Philly was a gamma and now alpha - trust me things have not changed that dramatically in 24 months for this movement. End of the day there are collection of cities in the US below the first tier that are very important both domestically as well as in terms of commerce.

Unless this building somehow put over the top...




1706 Rittenhouse Square behind Lady Justice, both under construction | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/always-movin/3971165950/ - broken link)
If you'll excuse me; I'm not right in the head today!

It has the 2nd highest ridership per mile [among light rail systems].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...s_by_ridership
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