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That is actually a bad argument to be fair. A courteous poster broke down the LA CSA urbanized area before and it is still pretty dense and not near as big as the CSA suggests.
But his argument implied that NYC annexes large land areas that are not related to NYC, which is pretty ludicrous coming from a poster whos city has huge swaths of uninhabited land counted into its area, and annexed truly unrelated cities such as Needles, CA.
Just look at these stats on which city annexes what from 2010 census:
NYC CSA: 22 million
NYC UA: 29 million
LA CSA: 18 million
LA UA: 15.5 million
I think the numbers speak for themselves. If you go South or North outside of NYC CSA (West is mountains and East is the ocean), the population density actually increases.
But his argument implied that NYC annexes large land areas that are not related to NYC, which is pretty ludicrous coming from a poster whos city has huge swaths of uninhabited land counted into its area, and annexed truly unrelated cities such as Needles, CA.
Just look at these stats on which city annexes what from 2010 census:
NYC CSA: 22 million
NYC UA: 29 million
LA CSA: 18 million
LA UA: 15.5 million
I think the numbers speak for themselves. If you go South or North outside of NYC CSA (West is mountains and East is the ocean), the population density actually increases.
Pulling out the proposed aglomerations.......funny. New York has swallowed Philadelphia
Pulling out the proposed aglomerations.......funny. New York has swallowed Philadelphia
actually the UAs have been connected for years this is nothing new. Both cities retain significant identities at either end, just the middle area is grey
that definition is new for 2010, those arent (UA) urban area numbers
No they have been connected for years meaning the UA has never ended for years with the exception of a line drawn by the census (no different than you guys SCREAM about on the MSA cut line between SF and SJ, yes the reality thing). WTF again u (bay boosters) guys play both sides of the fence so often it is rediculous seriously. Stick to one side or another or you all seem like a complete joke.
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is Paul making up stuff again???
Come on HTown shut up you know damn well what i am talking about - reality actually but why let that get in the way of a line on the map of a computer. go experience this line for yourself sometime
No they have been connected for years meaning the UA has never ended for years with the exception of a line drawn by the census (no different than you guys SCREAM about on the MSA cut line between SF and SJ, yes the reality thing). WTF again u (bay boosters) guys play both sides of the fence so often it is rediculous seriously. Stick to one side or another or you all seem like a complete joke.
Come on HTown shut up you know damn well what i am talking about - reality actually but why let that get in the way of a line on the map of a computer. go experience this line for yourself sometime
Easy......chill out....
Anyway, the line between is SF and SJ are far more connected, closer together. Its bogus, its not the same and you know it....SF/SJ IS a CSA. NYC and Philly are not one CSA.. Its the only agglomeration that increases in population vs the CSA numbers. Its bogus.
No they have been connected for years meaning the UA has never ended for years with the exception of a line drawn by the census (no different than you guys SCREAM about on the MSA cut line between SF and SJ, yes the reality thing). WTF again u (bay boosters) guys play both sides of the fence so often it is rediculous seriously. Stick to one side or another or you all seem like a complete joke.
Come on HTown shut up you know damn well what i am talking about - reality actually but why let that get in the way of a line on the map of a computer. go experience this line for yourself sometime
I know what you are talking about, it just is far from being implemented. I know you are craving it, but Philly has NOT been placed in NY's UA.
Anyway, the line between is SF and SJ are far more connected, closer together. Its bogus, its not the same and you know it....SF/SJ IS a CSA. NYC and Philly are not one CSA.. Its the only agglomeration that increases in population vs the CSA numbers. Its bogus.
But again there is NO break in the developed UA here (the UA is connected over many miles likely comparable if not a large border than the SF/SJ line as we dont have mountains to stop the connectivity) the density on one side is 13K ppsm and the other 8k ppsm. yep no development there at the cut line
No Slo you dont know this area. i agree the SF/SJ cut line is a joke it is absolutely developed.
i am not arguing MSA or even CSA (though trust me the connectivuty doesnt magically end at the census cut line in by far FAR the most developed and populated area/region in the country)
Yes the UA is absolutely connected and with a SIGNIFICANT level of development.
on the cut line with regards to purely being a line on a map of totally developed space there is ABSOLUTELY no difference in continuity but continue to suggest otherwise and play both side of the fence. you guys all do it everyday, why stop now
to suggest they UAs are not connected would be the same as suggesting the SF/SJ is not connected as the census line suggest.
Pick a side of fence, none of you do (or just like the rest (actually most of the rest) and selectivly choose the rules by which fits the story best
and how is it closer together. the distance in both lines is zero ft
I know what you are talking about, it just is far from being implemented. I know you are craving it, but Philly has NOT been placed in NY's UA.
The census bureau preliminary position is that NYC and Philly are indeed the same UA. The only reason why they are not "officially" the same UA, is because the MSA, CSA, and UA census numbers don't become official until 2013. Guess what, Houston's MSA and CSA numbers are not official yet too. The numbers you have so far for all of the cities is just people using the same MSA and CSA from 2000 census and just adding the population increases. The only way they'd make Philly and NYC separate is if they change the definition of what it means to be a UA different from the definition we all go by right now. And to be honest, the only way they will split the UA is simply declaring "NYC and Philly are too big to be in the same UA, so we decided to split them up."
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Easy......chill out....
Anyway, the line between is SF and SJ are far more connected, closer together. Its bogus, its not the same and you know it....SF/SJ IS a CSA. NYC and Philly are not one CSA.. Its the only agglomeration that increases in population vs the CSA numbers. Its bogus.
Its funny you say NYC and Philly is different from SF/SJ situation. Too bad the census bureau does not agree with you, and specifically highlights NYC-Philly and Sf-SJ situations:
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Although such areas do reflect the reality of urbanization at one scale, the areas may be cumbersome and less satisfactory for more localized applications. For example, an area of virtually continuous urbanization exists from northeastern Maryland through the Philadelphia area, central New Jersey, the New York City area, and central Connecticut to beyond Springfield, MA. This area of near-continuous urbanization encompasses nine UAs defined for Census 2000. Another area of continuous urbanization exists in the San Francisco Bay area, including the San Francisco-Oakland, San Jose, and several smaller areas.
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