Dallas vs. Seattle: Which is more cosmopolitan? (state, compared, places)
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Walkability has nothing to do with how diverse, cosmopolitan, or international a city is. Pittsburgh and Portland are more walkable than Dallas, yet who would argue they're more cosmopolitan? Even if that were the case, Central Dallas, especially around the tiny Klyde Warren Park, brings out people of all ages, ethnicities, and backgrounds.
I suspect many people on here have never stepped foot (or driven ) in Dallas. Seattle is more compact, walkable, and urban overall, but the differences between Dallas and Seattle are not as significant as the urbanity differences between Dallas and Chicago. There's definitely a wide spectrum of urbanity between American cities. Many people lump Dallas in with Phoenix. Have they ever been to Phoenix? Dallas is denser and more walkable than there. You won't find the urban vibe and layout of Downtown/Uptown Dallas or Deep Ellum in Phoenix.
The problem is people are vastly underestimating the diversity of the Seattle metro area. It has a higher percentage or African-born and European born residents than Dallas. It has more Asians as well. When you walk around Downtown or many of the neighborhoods in the South part of the city, you see many different races and ethnicities and hear a lot of different languages spoken. In other words, many parts of Seattle feel quite diverse. Yes, much of the Northern part of the city is very white, but that doesn't somehow make other parts of the city and various suburbs that are very diverse feel any less diverse.
For me, the definition has always been clear. Between the two, which is more connected to and representative of the entire world? Dallas.
But connected how and representative how? That's always been the basis of vigorous debate. And then you have to consider that some people interpret this in absolute terms while others look at it in a per capita/pound for pound kinda way.
The problem is people are vastly underestimating the diversity of the Seattle metro area. It has a higher percentage or African-born and European born residents than Dallas. It has more Asians as well. When you walk around Downtown or many of the neighborhoods in the South part of the city, you see many different races and ethnicities and hear a lot of different languages spoken. In other words, many parts of Seattle feel quite diverse. Yes, much of the Northern part of the city is very white, but that doesn't somehow make other parts of the city and various suburbs that are very diverse feel any less diverse.
No but some of you cant believe Dallas cant actually be more diverse.
You can have a high African Born population but if its regulated to most one or two nationalities ,then its not "more diverse".
Dallas has many African nationalities represented as well as Hispanics.
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Yes, much of the Northern part of the city is very white, but that doesn't somehow make other parts of the city and various suburbs that are very diverse feel any less diverse
True but its enough for most people to get the easy impression that its is mostly white with pockets of diversity.Not the other way around.
When you go to Dallas you dont get a vibe of an overwhelmingly "white city" like you do in Seattle.
No matter what you say about diversity Seattle feels overall very white and not many people who visit it will say other wise.
I mean their are even articles every where all over discussing how "white" Seattle is.
Nothing wrong with that but Seattle white
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Along with Portland, Seattle is among large U.S. cities in which the highest proportions of residents describe themselves as non-Hispanic white, based on 2010 census data.
In Seattle, 66 percent of all residents fit that category — the fifth-highest rate among the nation’s 50 largest cities — higher even than Wichita, Kan., and Minneapolis.
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While Seattle has one of the highest concentrations of Asians in the U.S., the proportion of blacks and Latinos is among the lowest.e and then Asian.
No but some of you cant believe Dallas cant actually be more diverse.
You can have a high African Born population but if its regulated to most one or two nationalities ,then its not "more diverse".
Dallas has many African nationalities represented as well as Hispanics.
True but its enough for most people to get the easy impression that its is mostly white with pockets of diversity.Not the other way around.
When you go to Dallas you dont get a vibe of an overwhelmingly "white city" like you do in Seattle.
No matter what you say about diversity Seattle feels overall very white and not many people who visit it will say other wise.
I mean their are even articles every where all over discussing how "white" Seattle is.
Nothing wrong with that but Seattle white
Yeah, but you're missing the point. South Seattle isn't a pocket. It's one third of the city. And it's majority minority. The central part of the city has large sections that are diverse but also large sections that are White. North of the ship canal, aside from a few small pockets, is very, very white. But if you cut off the area North of the ship canal you have a city of about 400K that's ~50% White. And there are plenty of other cities in the region that have high percentages of minorities.
No but some of you cant believe Dallas cant actually be more diverse.
You can have a high African Born population but if its regulated to most one or two nationalities ,then its not "more diverse".
Dallas has many African nationalities represented as well as Hispanics.
True but its enough for most people to get the easy impression that its is mostly white with pockets of diversity.Not the other way around.
When you go to Dallas you dont get a vibe of an overwhelmingly "white city" like you do in Seattle.
No matter what you say about diversity Seattle feels overall very white and not many people who visit it will say other wise.
I mean their are even articles every where all over discussing how "white" Seattle is.
Nothing wrong with that but Seattle white
Yeah, but you're missing the point. South Seattle isn't a pocket. It's one third of the city. And it's majority minority. The central part of the city has large sections that are diverse but also large sections that are White. North of the ship canal, aside from a few small pockets, is very, very white. But if you cut off the area North of the ship canal you have a city of about 400K that's ~50% White. And there are plenty of other cities in the region that have high percentages of minorities.
You're missing my point:Seattle is not the only city in America that has larges sections of diverse areas or white for that matter.
The fact is it is among the highest among cities with high white populations.
Dallas has several suburbs that are diverse.Arlington,Irving and to some degree Ft.Worth.
You're missing my point:Seattle is not the only city in America that has larges sections of diverse areas or white for that matter.
The fact is it is among the highest among cities with high white populations.
Dallas has several suburbs that are diverse.Arlington,Irving and to some degree Ft.Worth.
That's not what I was saying. And I agree that Dallas is more diverse - but the point is comparing how cosmopolitan the cities are. And in downtown and South Seattle it is and feels quite diverse. You see and interact with a lot of different races, ethnicities, and nationalities. The fact that the northern third of the city is very white doesn't change that.
Last edited by Edward234; 06-06-2016 at 10:38 PM..
That's not what I was saying. And I agree that Dallas is more diverse - but the point is comparing how cosmopolitan the cities are. And in downtown and South Seattle it is and feels quite diverse. You see and interact with a lot of different races, ethnicities, and nationalities. The fact that the northern third of the city is very white doesn't change that.
No it does not change that.Im not debating that, but it was brought up that being more diverse makes a city more so.I still say in Dallas there is more interaction across more parts of the city than Seattle to experience diversity.
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) in Dallas. Seattle is more compact, walkable, and urban overall, but the differences between Dallas and Seattle are not as significant as the urbanity differences between Dallas and Chicago. There's definitely a wide spectrum of urbanity between American cities. Many people lump Dallas in with Phoenix. Have they ever been to Phoenix? Dallas is denser and more walkable than there. You won't find the urban vibe and layout of Downtown/Uptown Dallas or Deep Ellum in Phoenix.
