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View Poll Results: Which has a better Downtown
Philadelphia 185 62.29%
Seattle 112 37.71%
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:48 AM
 
Location: The City
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That's hilarious. so we should then take every accolade bestowed upon Philly and suggest it's because it's bigger?

Both are great markets, two of the best in the country. Philly also has the 9th street market (Italian Market) for a little change of pace. Both should be very proud of these markets though
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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The qualifier applied to Los Angeles, not the Mid-City market. It won the same accolades as RTM in the article which is to say precisely none. It was mentioned.
I'm fairly certain that being cited as a model in a major national news publication (and especially the New York Times) would be considered positive press to most people.

Regardless, the primary conversation was about the quality claim -- and again, no one has cited statistical evidence to prove this.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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That's hilarious. so we should then take every accolade bestowed upon Philly and suggest it's because it's bigger?
I was simply saying that Seattle's Pike Place gets more foot traffic by virtue of the fact that it's bigger. I don't think that's some sort of outrageous assertion, and it has nothing to do with the quality of either market.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Capitol Hill - Seattle
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Downtown Seattle may have tons of residential u/c, unfortunately though (and paradoxically), the amount of retail u/c has slowed to a trickle, which suggests that most of these residential towers don't even have ground floor retail.
*IF* this is true, I don't see it being a bad thing. Seattle already has great retail downtown, and the influx of new residents in these towers will strengthen what we already have. You don't want retail at the base of EVERY building on every street, it dilutes the main retail corridors too much.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:07 AM
 
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Both are great markets, two of the best in the country. Philly also has the 9th street market (Italian Market) for a little change of pace. Both should be very proud of these markets though
The 9th Street Market is very cool. Although it's much smaller than PPM, I also really like the Melrose Market in Capitol Hill in Seattle: Shops | Melrose Market
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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Downtown Seattle may have tons of residential u/c, unfortunately though (and paradoxically), the amount of retail u/c has slowed to a trickle, which suggests that most of these residential towers don't even have ground floor retail.
By law, residential towers in Seattle must have ground floor retail. It's built into the city codes. Check out this new development, which will include a grocery store, coffee shop, and restaurant on the ground floor: Via6
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Does it "suggest" that? Maybe you should know before you assume something.
Yeah, pretty much all of them do.

Electra doesn't, but that's not really downtown. I can't think of another high-rise that doesn't have ground floor commercial. Enso, Escala, Cosmo, Westlake, 1521 2nd, Watermark, etc all have commercial, regardless if it's suggested they don't.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: The City
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Yeah, pretty much all of them do.

Electra doesn't, but that's not really downtown. I can't think of another high-rise that doesn't have ground floor commercial. Enso, Escala, Cosmo, Westlake, 1521 2nd, Watermark, etc all have commercial, regardless if it's suggested they don't.

That is good, today most new residential in cores seems to have a at least some elements of retail. So long as long blocks nothingness exist it is much better for the street feel.

Even an infill project like this on a glorified alley has retail, which is a good thing no matter where

New Rittenhouse Restaurant to Open at The Sansom in Philadelphia
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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That is good, today most new residential in cores seems to have a at least some elements of retail. So long as long blocks nothingness exist it is much better for the street feel.

Even an infill project like this on a glorified alley has retail, which is a good thing no matter where

New Rittenhouse Restaurant to Open at The Sansom in Philadelphia
Yes, projects like The Sansom, The Granary, etc. are exactly the type of infill that will build upon and take Center City's vibrancy to the next level. I can honeslty only think of one project (Toll Brothers' in Socety Hill) out of dozens of Philly's proposed multi-family projects over the past couple of years that did not have commercial/retail space at the ground floor, even in neighborhoods outside of the traditional CBD.

It's also great to hear that Seattle is following the same trend.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:13 AM
 
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That is good, today most new residential in cores seems to have a at least some elements of retail. So long as long blocks nothingness exist it is much better for the street feel.

Even an infill project like this on a glorified alley has retail, which is a good thing no matter where

New Rittenhouse Restaurant to Open at The Sansom in Philadelphia
Wow that made me hungry what a kool place.
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