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View Poll Results: Which has a better Downtown
Philadelphia 190 62.09%
Seattle 116 37.91%
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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When you have seen world class cities like London, Paris, NY, Chicago, Amsterdam, Brussels and even Philly.....Seattle is a joke on every level starting with virbrancy, transit, foot traffic, architecture, culture, etc. The only thing going for the city is natural beauty which can be found on a higher level in other cities.
Seattle feels like a larger version of Charlotte's DT, both kind of modern/new/somewhat sterile. No offense to Seattle but true. It's seriously lacking in history/architecture/vibe compared to a Philly or SF. Plus the transportation is a joke.
I also agree if you combined ATL DT and Midtown it would fare well against Seattle.
This is DT btw, not Capitol Hill, Belltown etc.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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When you have seen world class cities like London, Paris, NY, Chicago, Amsterdam, Brussels and even Philly.....Seattle is a joke on every level starting with vibrancy, transit, foot traffic, architecture, culture, etc. The only thing going for the city is natural beauty which can be found on a higher level in other cities. Seattle is not worth the plane ticket IMO, too many other cities to see in the world.
So you have a hard-on for Seattle now? I thought you just didn't like San Francisco because of all the dirty hippies there.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: NY-NJ-Philly looks down at SF and laughs at the hippies
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Seattle feels like a larger version of Charlotte's DT, both kind of modern/new/somewhat sterile. No offense to Seattle but true.
I also agree if you combined ATL DT and Midtown it would fare well against Seattle.
This is DT btw, not Capitol Hill, Belltown etc.
Well, I say Seattle is like a hybrid of SF and Portland. Yeah, and the architecture is bland.... so is the culture.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Seattle feels like a larger version of Charlotte's DT, both kind of modern/new/somewhat sterile. No offense to Seattle but true. It's seriously lacking in history/architecture/vibe compared to a Philly or SF. Plus the transportation is a joke.
I also agree if you combined ATL DT and Midtown it would fare well against Seattle.
This is DT btw, not Capitol Hill, Belltown etc.
This is why sometimes its ridiculous to even respond to this because some if not most have never been. BELLTOWN is part of downtown Seattle. If you have ever been you would certainly know this.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:54 PM
 
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This is why sometimes its ridiculous to even respond to this because some if not most have never been. BELLTOWN is part of downtown Seattle. If you have ever been you would certainly know this.
That's debatable. It bumps up against it. If the Seattle posters want to play goofy with defining Lower Manhattan boundaries, I'll do the same with Seattle. kthx.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Center City
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We checked out many cities before deciding where to re-locate earlier this year, Seattle and Philly among them. We chose Philly, which to some folks will make me a homer before I write anything further. Despite the trash talk one or two Philly posters is hurling here, Seattle is an interesting city in a beautiful setting, but just didn't have what we were looking for. We were primarily looking for a dense, vibrant and walkable DT. We found Philly met this requirement heads and tails above Seattle.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:12 PM
 
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Sorry, but Downtown Atlanta isn't close to Seattle when it comes to Vibrancy, foot traffic, nightlife, amenities, etc. And if you're going to include Midtown Atlanta then you have to include neighborhoods like Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, and South Lake Union - in which case Seattle clearly wins.

In terms of historical architecture, it is true that Seattle is lacking for the most part- but Pioneer Square is a decent sized district in downtown and it has great historical architecture, brick buildings. An oversized Charlotte, really? That makes you lose credibility.

Overall, I agree Philly wins this one, but let's not go overboard in slamming Seattle.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:14 PM
 
Location: The City
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This is why sometimes its ridiculous to even respond to this because some if not most have never been. BELLTOWN is part of downtown Seattle. If you have ever been you would certainly know this.

For purposes of this thread I will say Belltown, the CBD, and Pioneer Sq would all be considered Seattle's DT.

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In looking at this

2010 Census data: Seattle


DT Seattle looks like a population of 18K over the .9 sq miles of DT/Belltown/Pioneer Sq with a density of 20.3K, pretty decent, a similar 1 sq mile to most DTs in comparison

To me I always thought of First Hill and Capital Hill which always felt mostly a bit of an extension of the DT, with these the population goes to 52K, not sure these areas would really be considered DT for Seattle but a case could be made for them. These 5 neighborhoods have a collective density of 23.4K over a little more 2.2 sq miles (actually pretty large in terms of sq mileage when compared to many other cities DTs or what is included).

These numbers make a lot of sense to me as to me the density of the Seattle DT always feels under the likes of Boston and Philly though above most DTs in the US. It also makes sense that when looking at places like Queen Anne/Cascade/Squire Park and the next set of neighborhoods from the DT the densisty drops pretty significantly in Seattle
For DT Philly I will use Center City East and Center West (which includes basically Vine to Pine and River to River and slightly more land area than Seattle at 1.1 sq miles and a population of 57K with a density of 52K ppsm
http://www.centercityphila.org/docs/...aphics2011.pdf

So the comparison

Center City Philly 1.1 sq miles and 57K (52K ppsm)
DT Seattle .9 sq miles and 18K (20k ppsm)

Extending to the next set the disparity actually becomes more pronounced
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA
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Seattle is a joke on every level starting with vibrancy, transit, foot traffic, architecture, culture, etc.
WRONG. The jokes on you.

Downtown Seattle is vibrant and it also has high quality amenities such as upscale shopping, fantastic restaurants, a beautiful waterfront, liveable, walkable neighborhoods, and a great arts scene.

Like I said, these strange outright dismissals are incredibly misplaced.
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Old 11-15-2011, 04:25 PM
 
Location: NY-NJ-Philly looks down at SF and laughs at the hippies
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WRONG. The jokes on you.
Nope, it's on whoever things Seattle can hang with the cities I mentioned. Seattle simply is not worth the money.

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Downtown Seattle is vibrant and it also has high quality amenities such as upscale shopping, fantastic restaurants, a beautiful waterfront, liveable, walkable neighborhoods, and a great arts scene.
IMO, not as vibrant as philly, lowe quality amenities, lower quality shopping, lower quality dining and less walkable. The onle redeeming quality is the waterfront which I will give credit too.

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Like I said, these strange outright dismissals are incredibly misplaced.
You do the same Philly in post after post after post after post after post after post.
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