What is the hub for Asian culture in the US: Tri-State Area, SoCal or the Bay Area? (rates, largest)

[Lifeshadower]

Originally Posted by 415_s2k

And you can get all of these ingredients at basically any little independent market in any one of a number of dozen 'hoods in the area.

..in almost any hood Hell, even at the local Costco. The one here in Northridge or Van Nuys has all of that stuff (Though not as cheap as the 99 Ranch in Van Nuys or the Korean Grocer on Saticoy and White Oak).

I stopped at that big Korean grocer, Galleria Market, to pick up a Hello Kitty for the lady last night... went ahead and hit the 25-foot long kimchi bar while I was there and loaded up. Really good and simple hangover/cold soup is to take a half cup of napa kimchi, boil it up with some sriracha and soy sauce (or, in my case, Bragg's Liquid Aminos, since it's lower sodium), and then add udon noodles.

Wow, that sounds good! I gotta try it...maybe I should wash it down with a Hite or OB! Those 55 once ones..haha

Definitely deserves credit where it's due. The Bay Area has a large Indian/Pakistani population, especially around Fremont, with a good number also in Daly City, South SF, SJ, Mountain View, etc. I doubt that it'll catch up to 600k any time soon, just like NYC won't catch up on anything else for some time (if ever).

Well, with Silicon Valley...you never know. By percentage, the Bay Area is slightly more South Asian than the Tri-State Area now (3.8% vs 3.5%) and is only widening, but by raw number, it would take some massive refugee flow for any CA metro to beat the Tri-State Area.

Originally Posted by nslander

To clarify: my snark was definitely NOT directed at you. Your special pleading is commendable and well taken.

NY is definitely A hub, but not THE hub. Don't know how some folks take that as a slight.

And I vow never to use "hub" in this context again.

Don't worry about it man All the trolling has gotten to all of us, so I just wanted to inject a bit of realism back into the conversation instead everyone stating some sort of hyperbolic statement.

Yeah, in real life, NYC is A hub, but not "THE" hub. There isn't a "the" hub for a disparate group of people that covers 57% of humanity and 54% of the world's landmass.

[832973]

Ok, here's a detailed reason of why I think that the Tri-State Area (and NYC) is going to be THE Asian mecca in the future:

Unlike California, NYC was never a major point of immigration for Asian immigrants. Though NYC's Chinatown does date from 1858, the Chinese population of NYC was absolutely miniscule compared to LA/SF until the 1960s. In addition, since movements of people back in the 19th century were done by boat, NYC also missed out on major Asian migrations such as Asian Indians, Filipinos, and Japanese that ended up in California in much larger numbers than NYC. However, there were trickles of people from all those groups, especially Indians and Chinese, to the NY area because of racial discrimination faced in California.

Thus, in 1965, NYC's Asian population was extremely MINISCULE compared to LA/SF. However, due to reforms in immigration law, an explosion of Asian immigrants began to rush into NYC. Back in the 1960s, cities like Seattle and Portland outnumbered NYC's Asians, but now its on its way to being #1 if rates of growth continue to be the same.

Asian Indians and other South Asians were the first to become a major group here, and for better or for worse, NYC is THE mecca for that major immigrant group. South Asians are also the fastest growing group of Asians, so it would follow that their effect on Asian-America will continue to grow exponentially as their group grows exponentially.

East Asians, such as Chinese and Koreans, have begun to outnumber traditional groups in many Queens and New Jersey neighborhoods. In fact, for the past few years, New York STATE by itself has been getting more immigrants from the People's Republic of China THAN all of California as a whole, due to the more robust economy here and the higher rates of social mobility. Sure, California may have 1.3-1.4 million Chinese, but California is also much larger than New York State and New Jersey combined, but in terms of which area has the most robust Chinese community, NYC is running away with it. As for Koreans, Koreans make up a higher percentage of people in New Jersey than they do in California, and there are many more municipalities with high Korean populations here than in California.

Southeast Asians may be our weak spot, but realistically, we have a growing Filipino, Thai, and Vietnamese population. In fact, NYC area Filipinos greatly outnumber those in San Diego, which is a traditional hotspot for immigrants from the Philippines.

Then there comes West Asians. It is widely known that Detroit and NYC are the two areas with the HIGHEST Arab population. Though they are counted as White on the US census, Arabs mostly come from the Middle East, which is on the continent of Asia.

During this decade, or even within this year, NYC MSA will surpass LA MSA in the numbers of Asians, and will probably surpass LA CSA within the next 2-3 years. Despite the fact that NYC has had a 100 year lag on immigrants from Asia, NYC is poised to being the #1 area for Asians in the United States. If that's not being an "Asian Mecca", I don't know what is.

As for people represented in politics, there are Chinese American representatives in the New York State Assembly, such as Grace Meng Grace Meng - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. In New Jersey, there are Indian American representatives in the New Jersey legislature.

In fact, even according to Lifeshadower, here's what he said:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/19328309-post96.html

Asian/Pacific Islander American Elected Officials by state, 2011 (sorry, nothing more updated right now)

Asian Pacific American Political Database | Asian Pacific American Institute for Congressional Studies

Total in the United States and US territories: 471
Total in US States: 386
Total in the Continental US (lower 48): 300

Alaska: 2
American Samoa: 25
Arizona: 4
California: 176
Connecticut: 1
Florida: 2
Georgia: 2
Guam: 23
Hawaii: 84
Iowa: 1
Idaho: 2
Illinois: 2
Louisiana: 1
Massachusetts: 5
Maryland: 5
Michigan: 2
Minnesota: 2
Northern Mariana Islands: 37
New Hampshire: 1
New Jersey: 32
New Mexico: 1
Nevada: 2
New York: 8
Ohio: 2
Oregon: 2
Pennsylvania: 2
Rhode Island: 1
South Carolina: 1
Texas: 11
Utah: 2
Virginia: 5
Washington: 24
Wisconsin: 1

New Jersey has 32 elected members of government that are Asian, compared to California's 176. Considering that California's Asian population is 7 times larger than New Jersey's, shouldn't CA also have 7x the amount of elected Asian officials? New York only has 8, but that's because most of the Asians in NY State live in and around New York City itself, where there aren't that many positions to be elected to.

For every East Asian and Southeast Asian that California has, the Tri-State Area is closing the gap with not only East and Southeast Asians, but has far suprassed California in South and West Asians. Hence, as a whole, I believe that this is enough to propel the Tri-State Area as the #1 area for Asians in the United States.

[832973]

Originally Posted by Lifeshadower

Well, it IS sort of nice to not derail the other thread with all those posts. All the trolling can be done on this thread! Mods, please don't delete this thread

One way I can see NY being more of a "hub" than the Bay Area and Greater LA is that NYC is really the only metro area east of the Mississippi River that has more than 1 million Asians AND have Asians be close to 10% of the total population (and in the city itself, over 10%). Washington DC comes closest to reaching that marker and probably will by 2020, but for now, NYC is THE ABSOLUTE main spot in the whole Northeast where one can find all the Asian-oriented amenities (with DC being on a tier slightly below, and Boston/Philadelphia can duke it out).

It's easy to talk about "Asian population and percentage" but the amenities in these three cities don't only serve people who live there. Since LA and SF are relatively near each other, it literally divides the possible area in half, while NYC has more or less more of a hegemonic control over a larger area since it's most likely that the only place to have such a high concentration of Asian oriented amenities would be in NYC.

That's how NYC can seem more of a "hub" of Asian things over LA and SF.

Well, in addition to this, plain numbers also just win out. I believe by 2020, the Asian population in the NY area will outnumber LA as well, and by 2030, it will probably outnumber LA and SF combined. The expontential growth of the Asian population will lead to only more amenities, and the generation that has grown up in the NY area will become more well known.

No longer does California and the West Coast have hegemony over Asian people

In addition, not to sound like a huge jerk, but the Hispanic (mostly Mexican) population is SO overwhelming over there it completely overpowers whatever Asian influence there may be. It's not a bad thing or a slight against CA and the CA metro areas, but it's the truth. In the Tri-State Area, not one minority group completely overpowers all the others, so the Asian influence is more pronounced. Again, I know people here who were surprised that Asians live in California, since its so much more known for Mexican people than anything else.

[™WestCoast Reppin™]

Originally Posted by Nineties Flava

Another Pollster account, another reactionary thread. Please get a life.

I agree with you.what is up these "Asian" topic polls? seems that someone believes that NYC has to be the hub for everything!

[415_s2k]

Originally Posted by 832973

Well, in addition to this, plain numbers also just win out. I believe by 2020, the Asian population in the NY area will outnumber LA as well, and by 2030, it will probably outnumber LA and SF combined. The expontential growth of the Asian population will lead to only more amenities, and the generation that has grown up in the NY area will become more well known.

This is all pure opinion, largely based on your lack of knowledge and experience in California, specifically in regards to its Asian population.

No longer does California and the West Coast have hegemony over Asian people

Eh, it actually does, for the most part.

In addition, not to sound like a huge jerk, but the Hispanic (mostly Mexican) population is SO overwhelming over there it completely overpowers whatever Asian influence there may be.

You've said this before, and it proves how totally clueless you are when it comes to California. No: it does NOT "completely overpower whatever Asian influence there may be." Asians are extremely influential in CA socially, economically, and politically because there are so many of them here. We have higher raw numbers (we have 176 Asian elected officials; NJ only has 34 no matter how you wanna swing it; your "Asian Mecca" NY only has 8!) and percentages (SF Bay area's percentages crush NY/NJ's), and we also have much, much higher public perception. CA wins over NY. LA wins over NY, and SF wins over NY. You can break it down however you want; it comes in third, even though one can make a serious case for Honolulu, since over half the people there are either Asian or of partial Asian descent (it doesn't have the same overall cultural influence, though).

It's not a bad thing or a slight against CA and the CA metro areas, but it's the truth.

It's absolutely not the truth, in any way, shape, or form. We know you don't have much respect for Hispanic people, and you particularly dislike Mexicans, and this combined with your inability to accept that CA has more Asians than NY (and NJ... and PA... combined) has led you to make increasingly more reaching statements that further highlight your utter ignorance about life and culture in CA.

In the Tri-State Area, not one minority group completely overpowers all the others, so the Asian influence is more pronounced.

Nonsense.

Again, I know people here who were surprised that Asians live in California, since its so much more known for Mexican people than anything else.

Again, you're either lying, or selectively talking to idiots.

[415_s2k]

Oh, also, NYC is losing in your polls, again. I haven't voted because there's no option for both, so in theory, you can add 1 to SF and LA

[Galactic]

Who cares, Asians are annoying.

Speaking AS an Asian living in NYC, LA is the hub for Asians in America and it's not all that close. Asians also have a much bigger impact on the culture in LA than they do here in NY. NYC is kind of too big and too historic for any one race to directly influence too much, but LA is just young enough that the large amount of Asians and Latinos that reside there can strongly influence the culture.

[415_s2k]

Originally Posted by Galactic

Who cares, Asians are annoying.

Speaking AS an Asian living in NYC, LA is the hub for Asians in America and it's not all that close. Asians also have a much bigger impact on the culture in LA than they do here in NY. NYC is kind of too big and too historic for any one race to directly influence too much, but LA is just young enough that the large amount of Asians and Latinos that reside there can strongly influence the culture.

From the horse's mouth

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Lifeshadower

Well, it IS sort of nice to not derail the other thread with all those posts. All the trolling can be done on this thread! Mods, please don't delete this thread

One way I can see NY being more of a "hub" than the Bay Area and Greater LA is that NYC is really the only metro area east of the Mississippi River that has more than 1 million Asians AND have Asians be close to 10% of the total population (and in the city itself, over 10%). Washington DC comes closest to reaching that marker and probably will by 2020, but for now, NYC is THE ABSOLUTE main spot in the whole Northeast where one can find all the Asian-oriented amenities (with DC being on a tier slightly below, and Boston/Philadelphia can duke it out).

It's easy to talk about "Asian population and percentage" but the amenities in these three cities don't only serve people who live there. Since LA and SF are relatively near each other, it literally divides the possible area in half, while NYC has more or less more of a hegemonic control over a larger area since it's most likely that the only place to have such a high concentration of Asian oriented amenities would be in NYC.

That's how NYC can seem more of a "hub" of Asian things over LA and SF.

In other words, New York is the Asian hub of the Northeast. That makes total sense.

The influence of Asians in New York is still largely unknown outside that region because they appear to be constrained by the segregated ways of the socio-economic structure of that part of the country, hence they tend to concentrate themselves heavily in the same neighborhoods and towns.

On the other hand, Southern California and the Bay Area have Asians who have shattered glass ceilings and are billionaires(the NY Area has no Asian billionaires whilst LA has 5 and SF has 4), business moguls, leaders in technology and innovators, and Asians are a significant presence in nearly every Bay Area population center.

Either its the socio-economic structure of the NE since we already know that NY is more segregated than the Bay Area--or its just a question of Asians in the Bay Area having a much longer history than in NY.

One day tho. Keep up the good fight.

[415_s2k]

Gotta hand it to him... this is far and away the most civil thread he's started. I'll give him kudos for that.