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I just can not imagine D.C. having a higher office concentration than Chicago. They most be including Arlington County, and Tyson as Well. There's no way D.C. is beating Chicago. I know all about the height limits of D.C. (15 floors or less), and they're downtown isn't that huge land wise so I don't understand how they would beat Chicago.
I just can not imagine D.C. having a higher office concentration than Chicago. They most be including Arlington County, and Tyson as Well. There's no way D.C. is beating Chicago. I know all about the height limits of D.C. (15 floors or less), and they're downtown isn't that huge land wise so I don't understand how they would beat Chicago.
Downtown wise - no, it doesn't. If you're counting metro, then yes, it probably does. DC is extremely white collar office jobs. Chicago is a massive distribution and transportation center. There are hundreds of thousands of jobs in those fields. The suburban office market in Chicago seems smaller than the suburban office market in DC. I just spent last week touring some of our parks out in DC (I manage commercial real estate in Chicago, DC and LA).
As far as all these lists, there are multiple companies who put these out, and they all have different parameters. Different areas count towards downtown, some leave out buildings, some put in flex space, some just A or B, some include C or lesser buildings, etc.
They're all going to be different. I really don't know if there's a "right" answer.
I spent a ton of time in downtown Chicago, and a lot of time in downtown DC. Apples to apples, while I love DC to death, it just doesn't end up with as much concentrated office space in the core area as Chicago.
This is just a part of the downtown area. I know a lot is residential or hotels....but not THAT much
Cause right now, I'm satisfied seeing Atlanta, DC, BMore and NOLA on the lists...
Maybe your list will also have Phoenix on there! Then I'll be all smiles!
Lists like this really take a matter of taking the time to actually research each individual area. Just to bring up some points, this is the 2011 Downtown Denver Survey located at downtowndenver.com, http://www.downtowndenver.com/LinkCl...8%3d&tabid=566. They have their dt population estimated at 110k people and I tend to slant towards the people who actually have their hand in what the area is about. In this case it would be downtowndenver.com, as it's catered to downtown Denver. About.com: http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/daytime/daytimepop.html using the 2000 census number from Uncle Sam is another good source, I feel, Keeping in mind the job losses which for the average city would more than likely decrease due to the recent economy and number of jobs being lost across the board
Another case, looking at downtown size (CBD), if you were to take Indianapolis. The main Financial Area is bound by North, South, East and West Streets commonly known as the "Mile Square" as it is one square mile or the original city limits. Looking at the numbers from the CBD posted by HTownLove, even 1 square mile would have put it in the top 20 if only focusing on the "financial" sector of any given district. If you were accounting for the entire downtown area, every city there would be incorrect as Indianapolis downtown covers 6.5 sq miles in total and Chicago doubles in size once including entire downtown area.
These lists have Minneapolis-St. Paul listed with 105,000 employees in 0.72 square miles. That seems only Minneapolis to me. Does anyone have commuters to St. Paul for me? I'm guessing probably 30,000-40,000. Maybe 50,000?
These lists have Minneapolis-St. Paul listed with 105,000 employees in 0.72 square miles. That seems only Minneapolis to me. Does anyone have commuters to St. Paul for me? I'm guessing probably 30,000-40,000. Maybe 50,000?
MSP/St. Paul should be separate as they are two separate CBD's. That would be akin to combining downtown Dallas with Downtown Fort Worth or downtown Oakland with Downtown San Francisco. They should be separate because they are separate. Downtown Miiney is actually designated differently than what everything thinks it is and is actually larger than .72 sq miles.
MSP/St. Paul should be separate as they are two separate CBD's. That would be akin to combining downtown Dallas with Downtown Fort Worth or downtown Oakland with Downtown San Francisco. They should be separate because they are separate. Downtown Miiney is actually designated differently than what everything thinks it is and is actually larger than .72 sq miles.
Would you happen to know how many people work in downtown St. Paul? I'm thinking 105,000 is only in Minneapolis, based on the traffic and public transportation options only to Minneapolis. The Twin Cities combined would probably be top 10 on the list if combined.
It will be interesting to see the new 2010 downtown populations from the new census when they come out. DC is night and day from the year 2000. Worker population is probably well over 400,000 approaching 500,000. DC is very different than other cities because there are no real buffer zones between downtown districts. A visitor would not know NOMA, Downtown, MT Vernon Triangle, SW Waterfront, SW Government complex, and Capitol Riverfront. They all share borders and look like one big downtown to the naked eye. Many of these areas are not included in the 382,000 workforce. Some of these areas didn't exist in 2000 lol.
Would you happen to know how many people work in downtown St. Paul? I'm thinking 105,000 is only in Minneapolis, based on the traffic and public transportation options only to Minneapolis. The Twin Cities combined would probably be top 10 on the list if combined.
According to the city, downtown Minneapolis had about 135,000 in 1995--with a projected gain of 30,000 more jobs by 2010. I'm sure that the 135,000 number has grown, however, I suspect that the growth rate has been below projections. My guess is that it is in the area of 150,000 today.
"Downtown Minneapolis 2010" is a report prepared jointly by the downtown council and the planning commission. The report dates from 1996.
From the report:
"Between 1980 and 1995, downtown gained about 30,000 employees, primarily in the finance, insurance and real estate (F.I.R.E.), services and government sectors of the economy. In 1995, downtown contained about 135,000 employees."
I couldn't find specific numbers for St Paul, but I do recall hearing that in 2000, downtown St Paul had about 30,00 private-sector workers, plus 15,000-20,000 government employees.
MSP/St. Paul should be separate as they are two separate CBD's. That would be akin to combining downtown Dallas with Downtown Fort Worth or downtown Oakland with Downtown San Francisco. They should be separate because they are separate. Downtown Miiney is actually designated differently than what everything thinks it is and is actually larger than .72 sq miles.
For some reason they do combine those particular city CBD's. Every metro has multiple city downtowns so I would think if they do it for those cities they should do it for the rest too. Minn- ST Paul I can understand because of proximity, but the others are separated not only by lots of land but by other cities. How can it be one CBD when you have to skip cities to get to the other?
I don't know if this is really a "versus" thing in itself, but it could spawn some good "versus" discussion. This is in millions of square feet of office space.
Midtown Manhattan - 200.2
Washington D.C. - 131.7
Chicago - 131.5
Toronto - 88.7
Downtown Manhattan - 87.3
San Francisco - 83.2
Midtown South Manhattan - 71.8
Boston - 59.2
Atlanta - 56.9
Seattle - 52.5
Montreal - 49.4
Philadelphia - 41.5
And just for laughs and giggles, since I've noticed there are a couple of big downtown San Jose boosters on this forum who shall go unnamed, let's look at downtown San Jose's office inventory:
San Jose - 7.5
Odd list. Atlanta in the CBD is less than 30K it must include Midtown and Buckhead while Philly excludes everything other than Market West and doesnt add places one block away in either Market East or U City both with substantial office space
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