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Being one of the top 5 cities and metros in the nation for public transit is "dismal"? Ok, whatever you say.
Yeah I think it is dismal, go to Chicago, NYC, DC...night and day difference. I needed to get a car when I lived in SF b/c of not being able to get certain places, always late and slow, etc. I sold it again when I moved. I tried for about 3-4 months out there to live car free before deciding it was a lost cause to actually get around quickly and do things, then bit the bullet and got a cheap car.
Sure it might be top 5, but 5th at best, more like 6ish. and there is a big gap from 1 > to 2 3 (chi/dc)... to 4 (boston) ...then a bigger fall off to SF at 5/6. ... so yep, I think it's dismal.
BART is pretty comparable to MARTA, actually probably worse in terms of where it actually takes you.
Anyway I'll just stop there before I get angry.
SF has plenty of other merits, PT is not one of them. I wasn't bashing SF...geez. I just said it crushes Miami so... not that poster for you. But I also won't say it has nice PT, it doesn't.
Also I think globally and have lived abroad, saying top 5 in the u.s. isn't really saying much b/c the u.s. overall is pretty terrible in the PT department. Only NYC is comparable to most of the bigger European cities for instance.
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Yeah I think it is dismal, go to Chicago, NYC, DC...night and day difference. I needed to get a car when I lived in SF b/c of not being able to get certain places, always late and slow, etc. I sold it again when I moved. I tried for about 3-4 months out there to live car free before deciding it was a lost cause to actually get around quickly and do things, then bit the bullet and got a cheap car.
Sure it might be top 5, but 5th at best, more like 6ish. and there is a big gap from 1 > to 2 3 (chi/dc)... to 4 (boston) ...then a bigger fall off to SF at 5/6. ... so yep, I think it's dismal.
BART is pretty comparable to MARTA, actually probably worse in terms of where it actually takes you.
Anyway I'll just stop there before I get angry.
SF has plenty of other merits, PT is not one of them. I wasn't bashing SF...geez. I just said it crushes Miami so... not that poster for you. But I also won't say it has nice PT, it doesn't.
Also I think globally and have lived abroad, saying top 5 in the u.s. isn't really saying much b/c the u.s. overall is pretty terrible in the PT department. Only NYC is comparable to most of the bigger European cities for instance.
You spoke the truth in this post. I am just waiting on a yall from Californians then they will officially be worse than southerners for most delusional, annoying and uncultured.
FTR, I choose Florida....... Miami to be exact to live.
Well, another way to measure "diversity" is by the amount of languages that are spoken in a given area. Usually, not all the time, different languages spoken DENOTE different ethnic groups. However, this can also fall short as some languages, like English, are spoken by many different ethnic groups (huge difference between Jamaicans and Australians, though both ARE primarily English speaking)
California: 207 languages spoken
Florida: 134 languages spoken
The US census also classifies Arabs, Iranians, Afghans, and Armenians as "White" as well for whatever reason, but I think they add diversity to the population.
If your ancestry from a green country, you're considered "White"
I do agree that there should be some system to separate out which people have been here for 5-6 generations, and those who immigrated here and their 1st generation American children. However, in places like NY and NJ (and increasingly, FL), there are many Italians and Irish who still hold on quite dearly to their ancestry and partake in all the traditions. However, the same can be said for California.
Using the traditional US census defined race structure, California's diversity index (defined as the chances that any two people chosen in a given area will be of two different "races) would be at 73, while Florida's diversity index would be at 59. 2010 US Census News & Data - USATODAY.com
It can be calculated as such:
For the 2000 census, the US census released a diversity index (http://www.census.gov/population/cen...ensr01-104.pdf (broken link)) calculating the statistical diversity of each county in the United States based on the 8 broad ethno-racial demographic groups seen in the census. If you look on the 4th page of the link above, the census demographers use simple mathematics to determine how they got the index to begin with:
1) Square the percentage of each group analyzed (White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, Two or More Races)
2) Subtract that number from 1.00 (total diversity)
That Climate Chart is old as some of our Lynx buses, get real.
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CA has more Caucasians, more Middle-Easterners(which by the way, are also Asian), and more Latinos than Florida. Florida may have a more diverse Latino, and White population, but CA has a more diverse Asian and just as diverse black population(CA has ALOT of African nationalities represented).
Second time I've seen this. Will somebody PLEASE PUT FORTH PROOF, as one guy stated in a chart according to numbers we have more nationalities of African Americans represented in this state.
Anyways, I don't get why there is such a fight over urbanity, when the VAST MAJORITY of Californians and Floridians live in suburban areas. Hell, I live in the City of LA and I consider where I live as somewhere stuck between suburbia and urbanity. If you're familiar with the SFV, you'll understand why I say that.
That Climate Chart is old as some of our Lynx buses, get real.
Second time I've seen this. Will somebody PLEASE PUT FORTH PROOF, as one guy stated in a chart according to numbers we have more nationalities of African Americans represented in this state.
CA has a higher Nigerian, Ghanaian, Kenyan, and Ethiopian/Eritrean population than Florida. Although Florida may have more West Indians, and slightly more African-Americans, CA has a higher population of Africans from African countries. That was the point I was making.
Economy: California's is much larger and has more industries represented. That said, IIRC, Florida's is growing faster.
Quality of Life: Depends. For me, Florida seems a bit more monotonous than California, so CA for me.
Cost of Living: Florida. Not even close
Climate: Florida. I like tropical climates more than dry ones
Topography: There's topography in Florida?
Urbanity: San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego vs. Miami, Tampa, Orlando. Would say that Miami beats out San Diego, maybe 60/40 in favor of LA, and not even close to SF. Tampa and Orlando, given me a break
Access to different areas: Florida
Ethnic Diversity: Tied. California has more Asians, Florida has more Carribbean people
Public Transportation: Refer to urbanity
Anything else?: Nope
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