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View Poll Results: Better area: Seattle or Portland?
Seattle 45 69.23%
Portland 20 30.77%
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Old 02-04-2012, 03:57 PM
 
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True Portland neighborhoods flow better Seattle has to deal with canals , lakes, and PugetSound there is lots of water in Seattle . Thats why are neighborhoods dont flow together. Thats why Seattle has ferrys and water taxi. But it is beautifull and easy to navigate. And soon the First hill street carline will open connecting First Hill , Capitol Hill , And Downtown. Also Queen Anne neighborhood everyone talks about is next to Queen Anne Hill , not on the hill . Its the dense urban neighborhood built around Seattle Center. I would agree Seattles Park like Settings and abundance of water make navigation in Seattle a little harder.
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:10 PM
 
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Fremont is more overbuilt compared to the 90s.
Fremont began to go downhill when they placed that Hitler statue in the middle of the neighborhood.
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Fremont began to go downhill when they placed that Hitler statue in the middle of the neighborhood.
You mean Lenin.
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Fremont began to go downhill when they placed that Hitler statue in the middle of the neighborhood.
Eh, I think it went down a lot more when the quirky people who put a statue of Comrade Grandpappy in the town square and adorned their stores with rockets and hosted freeform slam poetry nights in their coffee shops were replaced with yuppies in earth-toned sweaters who drove Subarus...

But, I digress: Fremont is still alright IMHO.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:15 PM
 
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Fremont is more overbuilt compared to the 90s. But to say Ballard is more happening than Fremont right now... meh. It's all contrived now: both are being overbuilt and losing a lot of character.
Considering I grew up in both I have to say I like them both now far more than in the 70's.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Eh, I think it went down a lot more when the quirky people who put a statue of Comrade Grandpappy in the town square and adorned their stores with rockets and hosted freeform slam poetry nights in their coffee shops were replaced with yuppies in earth-toned sweaters who drove Subarus...

But, I digress: Fremont is still alright IMHO.
Does anyone have any empirical examples of cities that have prevented this phenomenon? Have any cities managed to kept their funky, artistic neighborhoods full of artists instead of yuppie gentrifiers? If so, how?
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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Either way it is a statue of one of history's most evil, murderous monsters.


(for the record, I am well aware it is a statue of mass murder Vladimir Lenin & I am a strong proponent of them replacing it with something less gruesome/offensive)
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:14 PM
 
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Considering I grew up in both I have to say I like them both now far more than in the 70's.
I don't know... It just bothers me to that Norwegian identity/touch dying out (Ballard). Ballard is starting to get that bland urban chic feel.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Either way it is a statue of one of history's most evil, murderous monsters.


(for the record, I am well aware it is a statue of mass murder Vladimir Lenin & I am a strong proponent of them replacing it with something less gruesome/offensive)
If an avowed communist in Seattle had originally sculpted it to pay tribute to Lenin I could understand that reaction. As it is, it's an interesting historical artifact that was recovered from the Soviet bloc and ended up there in a wacky set of circumstances.
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Old 02-04-2012, 10:09 PM
 
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I agree with you, beenhere. Unlike orzo, I would not consider a walk to and from Queen Anne to Capitol Hill via South Lake Union an easy stroll. Hence, this is why Seattle feels a touch sprawly to me. This is not helped by its lack of rail connecting these neighborhoods. Personally, I find the compactness of Portland makes it a much more walkable city. These two paragraph sums up my comparative impressions of the two cities very well (+1):

I prefer the more consistent urban fabric I feel Portland offers.
Your point is well taken, and while I don't totally agree, I see where you're coming from.

But I do think you also have to account for the neighborhoods outside of the downtown/inner neighborhoods areas, and Seattle really separates itself from Portland there. There are far more built up, vibrant neighborhood hubs in Seattle than Portland, away from the downtown and immediate surroundings. Yes, both cities have their share of single-family home neighborhoods, but Seattle has a lot more nodes with clusters of activity than Portland. The U District, Fremont, Ballard, Wallingford, Greenwood/Phinney, Roosevelt/Greenlake, Columbia City, and several others - these are all great neighborhood hubs, and there are a lot more multi-family/mixed-use developments in Seattle's outer neighborhood hubs than Portland's - by a longshot. Hawthorne, Alberta, etc - these are great, walkable areas, but they are lacking in much density and can't match the street vibrancy in Seattle's outer areas.

Also, Seattle is getting a subway that will connect downtown, Capitol Hill, U District, Roosevelt, and Northgate in a few years, and there are studies happening right now for subway or grade-separated rail on the west side of the city (Belltown, Queen Anne, Ballard, Crown Hill). Seattle's current light rail/subway line already connects Westlake to Pioneer Square and the International District (much better than Portland's Chinatown), but it will really be leveraged when the Northgate lines opens.

It's also interesting that you mention the walk from Queen Anne to to Capitol Hill via South Lake Union, because the city is currently investing hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild Mercer and Roy/Valley street (connector streets between those neighborhoods) with dramatically improved pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure.
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