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Old 03-21-2012, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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all these arguments are stupid. All of that would happen without Philly , the land was important to the outcome, it is the key people involved that was important. Without Philly all of this would have happened somewhere else, and we would not have to be listening to you guys whine about being important
Lol except... it did happen in Philly and that's history.... I'm not arguing that the Texas Revolution isn't important because it certainly is but it is in no way a top 10 world event or US event. Period. And we're not whining about being important. We are important.

 
Old 03-21-2012, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Lol except... it did happen in Philly and that's history.... I'm not arguing that the Texas Revolution isn't important because it certainly is but it is in no way a top 10 world event or US event. Period. And we're not whining about being important. We are important.
Apart from the Revolution, War of 1812 and the Civil War what other local wars would rank in your top ten? In fact I cannot even come up with more that these three other domestic wars, Don't even know how you can disqualify the Texas Revolution from the top ten. The original poster said it was one of the most important he didn't give a figure as to were he would put it. Just because he said it was one of the most important, doesn't diminish the other ones.

The second person to mention said it was one of the most decisive. I know kidphilly likes to spin people's words without understanding what the poster was saying, but the Battle of San Jacinto indeed was one of the most decisive battles in history. The decisiveness of a battle is dependent on the outcome, not on how it is spun. Sam Houston won a swift and sound battle, lost far less men than Santa Anna, and captured Santa Anna which led to the Independence of Texas which led to the US increasing its size by a third.

Texas Independence, annexation and the resulting Mexican American War brought about these states: the entire state of Texas (1845) that then included part of Kansas (1861), Colorado (1876), Wyoming (1890), Oklahoma (1907), and New Mexico (1912), in addition to California (1850), Nevada (1864), Utah (1896), and Arizona (1912)
 
Old 03-21-2012, 02:44 PM
 
Location: The City
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Apart from the Revolution, War of 1812 and the Civil War what other local wars would rank in your top ten? In fact I cannot even come up with more that these three other domestic wars, Don't even know how you can disqualify the Texas Revolution from the top ten. The original poster said it was one of the most important he didn't give a figure as to were he would put it. Just because he said it was one of the most important, doesn't diminish the other ones.

The second person to mention said it was one of the most decisive. I know kidphilly likes to spin people's words without understanding what the poster was saying, but the Battle of San Jacinto indeed was one of the most decisive battles in history. The decisiveness of a battle is dependent on the outcome, not on how it is spun. Sam Houston won a swift and sound battle, lost far less men than Santa Anna, and captured Santa Anna which led to the Independence of Texas which led to the US increasing its size by a third.

Texas Independence, annexation and the resulting Mexican American War brought about these states: the entire state of Texas (1845) that then included part of Kansas (1861), Colorado (1876), Wyoming (1890), Oklahoma (1907), and New Mexico (1912), in addition to California (1850), Nevada (1864), Utah (1896), and Arizona (1912)

Not all history is wars or battles

Also am curious. More important to American history

LA Purchase or Jacinto?

It was the repeated use of MOST important historical WORLD events that I found so enteraining. Never said these are not important to US history nor insignificant but the qualifiers placed are the point of contention. Lastly ~90% of your support on significance is directly related to either Houston or Texas. So ok it is one of the MOST important events in TX history will agree; dont agree that because it is important to TX it makes a WORLD seminel event though, sorry
 
Old 03-21-2012, 02:45 PM
 
Location: The City
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Also what was more important

Alamo or Jacinto?

just curious; I actually didnt really know what Jacinto really was quite honestly for whatever that is worth
 
Old 03-21-2012, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Apart from the Revolution, War of 1812 and the Civil War what other local wars would rank in your top ten? In fact I cannot even come up with more that these three other domestic wars, Don't even know how you can disqualify the Texas Revolution from the top ten. The original poster said it was one of the most important he didn't give a figure as to were he would put it. Just because he said it was one of the most important, doesn't diminish the other ones.

The second person to mention said it was one of the most decisive. I know kidphilly likes to spin people's words without understanding what the poster was saying, but the Battle of San Jacinto indeed was one of the most decisive battles in history. The decisiveness of a battle is dependent on the outcome, not on how it is spun. Sam Houston won a swift and sound battle, lost far less men than Santa Anna, and captured Santa Anna which led to the Independence of Texas which led to the US increasing its size by a third.

Texas Independence, annexation and the resulting Mexican American War brought about these states: the entire state of Texas (1845) that then included part of Kansas (1861), Colorado (1876), Wyoming (1890), Oklahoma (1907), and New Mexico (1912), in addition to California (1850), Nevada (1864), Utah (1896), and Arizona (1912)
I agree it is an important battle/war/revolution and the Texas Revolution would definitely be in the top 10 for America ONLY, but I thought this whole argument was over top 10 events in both world and american history... both of which would not include the battle of san jacinto. Top ten wars in the World? No it would not include the Texas Revolution. Top Ten in the U.S.? Well of course it would include the Texas Revolution. Not all history is just wars and battles though. There are more important things in American history like the creation of the constitution and the declaration of independence and the abolition of slavery etc etc.

Finally, there are also very important wars in the top ten American History that were not fought on American soil like World War I and II.

And I agree that the Texas Revolution was important for the last time.... but you are not understanding the concept that if not for the events that occured in Philly and the early North East, there would be no America, no anglo-saxans to travel west, no Texas Revolution. No Texas. None of those states would exist because an America would not exist and this entire country would probably be Mexicans and Native Americans; no white man, no mix of races and cultures. Nothing. The U.S. and the free world would not exist. Therefore the Texas Revolution is certainly not in the top 10 of most important U.S. events in History. Most important U.S. wars in history? Without a doubt. End of story.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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Also what was more important

Alamo or Jacinto?

just curious; I actually didnt really know what Jacinto really was quite honestly for whatever that is worth
definitely Alamo. You can't compare a Losing Battle to winning the War. Are you kidding me.

The Alamo became an important outcry, but it was just that.

The Alamo was a decisive victory for the Mexicans, NOT for the Texans. You kidding me???


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LA Purchase or Jacinto?
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The Louisiana Purchase was a business transaction, NOT a war.

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Originally Posted by Summersm343 View Post
And I agree that the Texas Revolution was important for the last time.... but you are not understanding the concept that if not for the events that occured in Philly ...would be no America, no anglo-saxans to travel west, no Texas Revolution.
That is flawed reasoning. All of that would have happened in Boston, NY, Baltimore, etc etc. They didn't need Philly for that. Just happened to be in Philly. Just as likely to have happened in Baltimore.

Nothing special about the local itself that required that happening in Philly. America would have been America with or without Philly.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 05:55 PM
 
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The Louisiana Purchase was a business transaction, NOT a war.


That is flawed reasoning. All of that would have happened in Boston, NY, Baltimore, etc etc. They didn't need Philly for that. Just happened to be in Philly. Just as likely to have happened in Baltimore.

Nothing special about the local itself that required that happening in Philly. America would have been America with or without Philly.
Who ever said that it had to be a war for it to be an important historic event.

With your reasoning about Philadelphia. The same reasoning could be applied to the importance of the texas revolution or whatever it is called. The US would have eventually taken over these areas with or without texas but this doesnt matter because it happened where it happened and nothing will change that.
 
Old 03-21-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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What most people in the United States don't seem to know about Texas is that if Texas did not decide to join the Unites States we would have two countries right now.

The leaders of the Republic of Texas SERIOUSLY considered remaining an independent nation and expanding westward. The Republic of Texas already contained parts of many Western States (gave them to the Unites States once they joined) and there was a push for them to expand westward all the way to the Pacific Ocean.

That's right, California would have been in the Republic of Texas. Imagine the United States keeping up with Texas and California because it would have been in a competing nation.

Obviously, Texas joined and a war followed to solidify the US/Mexico border.

Those of you are ignorant don't think the Texas Revolution/Mexican-American War is a top 5 American battle of all time. Currently, 3 of the nation's top ten populous cities and what 6 of the top 20 are in Texas. It is the second most populous state and second in GDP and is trending to pass California. People like to bash history that doesn't FIT THEIR definitions.

Read up on Texan...err American History. Sam Houston is already viewed as the George Washington of Texas.

Here's a movie to check out if you are interested in the Texas Revolution. Remember that the Alamo was almost 100 years old at the time of the battle of the Alamo in 1836.

Amazon.com: The Alamo (Full Screen Edition): Dennis Quaid, Billy Bob Thornton, Jason Patric, Patrick Wilson, Emilio Echevarrķa, Jordi Mollą, Leon Rippy, Tom Davidson (III), Marc Blucas, Robert Prentiss, Kevin Page, Joe Stevens, Stephen Bruton, Laura
 
Old 03-21-2012, 07:49 PM
 
Location: where u wish u lived
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What most people in the United States don't seem to know about Texas is that if Texas did not decide to join the Unites States we would have two countries right now.

The leaders of the Republic of Texas SERIOUSLY considered remaining an independent nation and expanding westward. The Republic of Texas already contained parts of many Western States (gave them to the Unites States once they joined) and there was a push for them to expand westward all the way to the Pacific Ocean.

That's right, California would have been in the Republic of Texas. Imagine the United States keeping up with Texas and California because it would have been in a competing nation.

Obviously, Texas joined and a war followed to solidify the US/Mexico border.

Those of you are ignorant don't think the Texas Revolution/Mexican-American War is a top 5 American battle of all time. Currently, 3 of the nation's top ten populous cities and what 6 of the top 20 are in Texas. It is the second most populous state and second in GDP and is trending to pass California. People like to bash history that doesn't FIT THEIR definitions.

Read up on Texan...err American History. Sam Houston is already viewed as the George Washington of Texas.

Here's a movie to check out if you are interested in the Texas Revolution. Remember that the Alamo was almost 100 years old at the time of the battle of the Alamo in 1836.

Amazon.com: The Alamo (Full Screen Edition): Dennis Quaid, Billy Bob Thornton, Jason Patric, Patrick Wilson, Emilio Echevarrķa, Jordi Mollą, Leon Rippy, Tom Davidson (III), Marc Blucas, Robert Prentiss, Kevin Page, Joe Stevens, Stephen Bruton, Laura
Yea ok buddy keep telling yourself that, the U.S. would of beaten Texas in to submission just like the rest of the south
 
Old 03-21-2012, 07:59 PM
 
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Originally Posted by H'ton View Post
What most people in the United States don't seem to know about Texas is that if Texas did not decide to join the Unites States we would have two countries right now.

The leaders of the Republic of Texas SERIOUSLY considered remaining an independent nation and expanding westward. The Republic of Texas already contained parts of many Western States (gave them to the Unites States once they joined) and there was a push for them to expand westward all the way to the Pacific Ocean.

That's right, California would have been in the Republic of Texas. Imagine the United States keeping up with Texas and California because it would have been in a competing nation.

Obviously, Texas joined and a war followed to solidify the US/Mexico border.

Those of you are ignorant don't think the Texas Revolution/Mexican-American War is a top 5 American battle of all time. Currently, 3 of the nation's top ten populous cities and what 6 of the top 20 are in Texas. It is the second most populous state and second in GDP and is trending to pass California. People like to bash history that doesn't FIT THEIR definitions.

Read up on Texan...err American History. Sam Houston is already viewed as the George Washington of Texas.

Here's a movie to check out if you are interested in the Texas Revolution. Remember that the Alamo was almost 100 years old at the time of the battle of the Alamo in 1836.

Amazon.com: The Alamo (Full Screen Edition): Dennis Quaid, Billy Bob Thornton, Jason Patric, Patrick Wilson, Emilio Echevarrķa, Jordi Mollą, Leon Rippy, Tom Davidson (III), Marc Blucas, Robert Prentiss, Kevin Page, Joe Stevens, Stephen Bruton, Laura
IF we took 1/2 of Mexico then we could easily conqur Texas, and you seem to Forget Texas Joined the US because IT NEEDED TO. The Republic of Texas was a very weak Country (as many new nations are), so to aviod being reconqured by Mexico, they turned to be annexed by the United states.
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