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Old 04-11-2013, 08:00 AM
 
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It's a KNOWN fact Phillys WHOLE metropolitan area was tooking from it in 2000. Trenton, Atlantic city, And Allentown which belonged to us since the 1800's have been pulled from under us, and ALL these cities are in our media market. With our real metro we add $120 billion to our GDP. And 2,000,000 to our population. Trenton was only added to NYC, because without it they would be surpassed by Mexico City. So the government controls it. With our orininal stats we easily are toe to toe even ahead in GDP and Population.

 
Old 04-11-2013, 09:19 AM
 
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I know that Hagerstown will be joining the DC 'CSA' area next year if the definitions stay the same or ease up. That's another 400,000 in the DC basket
400,000! Off by a factor of 10! Hagerstown has a population of about 40,000.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Hagerstown-Maryland.html

Washington County only has ~150,000!
Washington County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau
 
Old 04-11-2013, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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It's a KNOWN fact Phillys WHOLE metropolitan area was tooking from it in 2000. Trenton, Atlantic city, And Allentown which belonged to us since the 1800's have been pulled from under us, and ALL these cities are in our media market. With our real metro we add $120 billion to our GDP. And 2,000,000 to our population. Trenton was only added to NYC, because without it they would be surpassed by Mexico City. So the government controls it. With our orininal stats we easily are toe to toe even ahead in GDP and Population.
Who cares?

When were you last in Trenton?

People spend so much time on this site talking about MSA, CSA. Talking so much about massive land areas that most people spend their time in a fraction of. It makes no difference on an individual level. Some people's egos seem to attached at the hip to these Metro rankings. It's all very silly. Topics are so much more interesting when people talk about their community and where they spend their time.
I thought this was city-data!

I rarely spend time in the suburbs of a city when I visit it and I'd wager that this is true for most people. I am rarely in the suburbs of my own city.

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Old 04-11-2013, 09:40 AM
 
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Who cares?

When were you last in Trenton?
2 weeks ago. Went to a trip the there for school.
 
Old 04-11-2013, 12:03 PM
 
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I don't even agree with the premise of this question. We had that "tier" thread not long ago. General consensus is that NYC is tier 1, but tier 2 is an amalgam of LA, DC, Chicago, SF Bay Area, and Houston (everyone's tier 2 had some mix of those cities/CSAs)
 
Old 04-11-2013, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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I don't even agree with the premise of this question. We had that "tier" thread not long ago. General consensus is that NYC is tier 1, but tier 2 is an amalgam of LA, DC, Chicago, SF Bay Area, and Houston (everyone's tier 2 had some mix of those cities/CSAs)
wouldn't say they were all tier two.

My tiers would be something like this:

1. NY

2.
A. LA
B. Chicago

3.
A. SF
B. DC
C. Houston
D. Boston

4.
A. DFW
B. Philly

5.
A. Miami
B. ATL
C. Phoenix
D. Seattle
 
Old 04-11-2013, 12:22 PM
 
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Philadelphia's original GDP is $435
And population 8.1million with its original cities from 2000. Philly had these cities in its metro for 100years and after 2000 they took our cities so NYC could look good. So really Philly is 4th.
 
Old 04-11-2013, 12:25 PM
 
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It's a KNOWN fact Phillys WHOLE metropolitan area was tooking from it in 2000. Trenton, Atlantic city, And Allentown which belonged to us since the 1800's have been pulled from under us, and ALL these cities are in our media market. With our real metro we add $120 billion to our GDP. And 2,000,000 to our population. Trenton was only added to NYC, because without it they would be surpassed by Mexico City. So the government controls it. With our orininal stats we easily are toe to toe even ahead in GDP and Population.
First of all "tooking" is not a word.

Second, then add them. Do whatever you want and go ahead and add Scranton, Allentown, Lancaster, Trenton, Harrisburg, York if it makes you feel any better (what do I care, add the entire eastern half of Pennsylvania), add them all if you want because it STILL doesn't pull Philadelphia's economy ahead of our area. How do you think it looks that your entire CSA (7.1 million people) STILL has an economy smaller than just our MSA (5.8 million people)? That's bad enough as it is and now you want to go around just "adding" places.

Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $541.736 Billion
Atlantic City-Hammonton, NJ $12,840
Dover, DE $6,162
Ocean City, NJ $4,010
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD Metro Area $353,323
Reading, PA Metro Area $14,816
Vineland-Millville-Bridgeton, NJ Metro Area $5,110
Trenton, NJ Metro Area $26,946
Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton, PA-NJ Metro Area $30,412
Scranton–Wilkes-Barre–Hazleton, PA $19,832
Harrisburg-Carlisle, PA $28,603
York-Hanover, PA $15,489
Lebanon, PA $4,003
Lancaster, PA $20,188

Your population? Near 11 million and your GDP, still smaller than just Washington-Baltimore (8.4 million), I took out Hagerstown, Lexington Park, Winchester, so on. We really don't need them.

Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV $581.353 Billion
Baltimore-Towson, MD Metro Area $148,256
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV Metro Area $433,097

So yeah, how about this? We now have 7,000 less square miles then you, 2.6 million less people then you, but still an economy exactly $40 Billion ahead. Your economy, still smaller than Chicagoland despite having 1.3 million more people and 9,000 square miles more land area. Your economy STILL smaller than Bay Area, despite having 2.8 million more people and 10,000 square miles more land area. Face it, you've been surpassed.

LOL, New York being surpassed by the likes of Mexico City if it weren't for Trenton and Allentown? Man, come on with this, seriously? Like for real? Forget Allentown and Trenton, New York MSA has nearly a $1 TRILLION DOLLAR lead on Mexico City's economy. New York has the second largest economy in the world, Mexico City? They're somewhere in the 30's or 40's, maybe lower. LOL.

You got just about everything wrong. Allentown "belonged" to Philadelphia in 1800? Back when something like a "metropolitan area" was practically non-existent? LOLOLOLOLOL

You have got to be kidding me!

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Old 04-11-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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I'm talking about population smarticles! New York and Mexico City's population are 500,000 ppl apart. And New York annaxed Trenton to stay #1 most populated city in North America. I DO know what I'm talking about. Oh and the GDP adding Scranton, Harrisburg, York, Lancaster, Trenton, and Atlantic city would make the GDP $525!!! These cities ALL were in Philys spear of influence at one point!
 
Old 04-11-2013, 12:59 PM
 
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I'm talking about population smarticles! New York and Mexico City's population are 500,000 ppl apart. And New York annaxed Trenton to stay #1 most populated city in North America. I DO know what I'm talking about. Oh and the GDP adding Scranton, Harrisburg, York, Lancaster, Trenton, and Atlantic city would make the GDP $525!!! These cities ALL were in Philys spear of influence at one point!
So and Jakarta has nearly 6 million people on New York. Anyone think of them as competition for world's greatest cities? What good is population when you look just awful standing next to a similar sized area by everything else?



Like I said, keep Allentown, Lancaster, York, Harrisburg, Lebanon, Trenton, Scranton, Atlantic City, Vineland, Dover, Ocean City. No one is going to miss them, keep them but at the end of the day, they still didn't help you pull ahead even with a land area of 18,000 square miles, population just slightly above 11 million, and a GDP of $540 Billion. How do you think per capita looks? Competitive with Orlando's? Because it sure isn't with Washington-Baltimore, Bay Area, or Chicagoland.

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