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Old 03-14-2012, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Maybe. But for LA you should at least add the larger munis if you're going to start adding additional counties. Like add OCTA, since Orange County is in that population figure. Plus Long Beach and Santa Monica. I'm sure that other cities like SF and Chicago have similar munis. Not sure about DC.

Los Angeles:

Subway: 142,600
Light Rail: 152,400
Bus: 1,125,200
OCTA: 165,000
LBT: 85,000
BBB: 85,000
Commuter: 39,600
Total Daily Ridership: 1,794,800
Population: 12,828,837 people
Still doesn't change much haha.
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:36 PM
 
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Maybe. But for LA you should at least add the larger munis if you're going to start adding additional counties. Like add OCTA, since Orange County is in that population figure. Plus Long Beach and Santa Monica. I'm sure that other cities like SF and Chicago have similar munis. Not sure about DC.

Los Angeles:

Subway: 142,600
Light Rail: 152,400
Bus: 1,125,200
OCTA: 165,000
LBT: 85,000
BBB: 85,000
Commuter: 39,600
Total Daily Ridership: 1,794,800
Population: 12,828,837 people
The second largest core county in the D.C. area (Montgomery County MD) does not use Metro bus except a handful of express routes. The county has their own bus system called "Ride On" with a 85,000 daily ridership. That is also the county that is implementing their own 148 mile BRT system which is projected to have a ridership of 233,000 daily riders.

Here are the plans:

-150 stations
-16 lines
-peak headway's will be as frequent as every 2-3 minutes on the busiest corridors


-148.3 system total miles
-two-way guideway only 24 miles
-one-way guideway only 48 miles (rush hour direction)
-guideway and bus lane 27 miles
-bus lane (both direction) 1 mile
-bus lane (one direction) 7 miles
-no guideway or bus lanes 44 miles
-26 Queue Jump Intersections
-TSP 176 intersections
-367 platform stations at 150 sites (median and curb)
-209 Concrete pads
-430 total bus fleet

http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/co...mary110426.pdf
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:38 PM
 
Location: São Paulo
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Here's something that's strange. The numbers for the APTA and MTA are significantly different. I'm using 2010 stats because I didn't see 2011 for the MTA.

APTA Estimated Unlinked Trips:

Average Daily Weekday Ridership: 8,047,700 (2010)

2011: 8,360,700

MTA Average Weekday Ridership: 5,156,913

It seems weird that there would be such a huge discrepancy. It seems like the MTA should know what they're talking about, right? However it's an incredibly inefficient system. On the other hand, the APTA says their data is an estimate.

Am I missing a key part of this? Can anyone help me here?
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Would any of you say all those cities are ones that most people can be able to get by easily without a car (NYC obviously, but what about the others?).
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Would any of you say all those cities are ones that most people can be able to get by easily without a car (NYC obviously, but what about the others?).
Maybe not in that order but yes. A few other smaller metros that don't have the population to break into this list could have an argument.
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:50 PM
 
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Would any of you say all those cities are ones that most people can be able to get by easily without a car (NYC obviously, but what about the others?).
If you work in the city, then yes, all those cities are liveable car-free
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Old 03-14-2012, 07:50 PM
 
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Here's something that's strange. The numbers for the APTA and MTA are significantly different. I'm using 2010 stats because I didn't see 2011 for the MTA.

APTA Estimated Unlinked Trips:

Average Daily Weekday Ridership: 8,047,700 (2010)

2011: 8,360,700

MTA Average Weekday Ridership: 5,156,913

It seems weird that there would be such a huge discrepancy. It seems like the MTA should know what they're talking about, right? However it's an incredibly inefficient system. On the other hand, the APTA says their data is an estimate.

Am I missing a key part of this? Can anyone help me here?
APTA is the only universal measuring entity in the country which is why most people use it. It is impossible to compare different system's ridership without using universal measuring techniques.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Inglewood, CA
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Here's something that's strange. The numbers for the APTA and MTA are significantly different. I'm using 2010 stats because I didn't see 2011 for the MTA.

APTA Estimated Unlinked Trips:

Average Daily Weekday Ridership: 8,047,700 (2010)

2011: 8,360,700

MTA Average Weekday Ridership: 5,156,913

It seems weird that there would be such a huge discrepancy. It seems like the MTA should know what they're talking about, right? However it's an incredibly inefficient system. On the other hand, the APTA says their data is an estimate.

Am I missing a key part of this? Can anyone help me here?
The MTA counts how many people enter turnstiles. APTA reports unlinked trips. APTA's number (which they must get from the MTA) is an estimate.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Inglewood, CA
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APTA is the only universal measuring entity in the country which is why most people use it. It is impossible to compare different system's ridership without using universal measuring techniques.
APTA is not a measuring entity. They are a reporting agency and they only report what transit agencies tell them. They do make it somewhat of an apples to apples comparison by reporting unlinked, but really that's only an approximation. For example NYCT can count turnstile registrations, but if people switch lines inside of fare control, they have no way to track that. WMATA can count that and LACMTA can't really count anything and it's all an estimate.
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Old 03-14-2012, 08:07 PM
 
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It's a much more interesting comparison when you factor in population.


New York City:

Subway: 8,360,000
Subway (PATH): 259,1000
Bus: 2,623,100
Commuter (LIRR): 352,000
Commuter (Metro North): 298,500
Total Daily Ridership: 11,892,100
Population: 18,897,109 people



Chicago:

Subway (EL): 713,500
Bus: 998,600
Commuter: 316,800
Total Daily Ridership: 2,028,900
Population: 9,461,105 people



Los Angeles:

Subway: 142,600
Light Rail: 152,400
Bus: 1,125,200
Commuter: 39,600
Total Daily Ridership: 1,459,800
Population: 12,828,837 people



Washington DC:

Subway (Metro): 961,500
Bus: 440,000
Commuter Rail (MARC): 33,700
Commuter Rail (VRE): 19,200
Total Daily Ridership: 1,454,400
Population: 5,582,170 people



Boston:

Subway: 525,600
Light Rail: 233,300
Bus: 397,900
Commuter Rail: 130,600
Total Daily Ridership: 1,287,400
Population: 4,552,402 people



Philadelphia:


Subway: 342,800
Light Rail: 110,600
Bus: 597,300
Commuter Rail: 127,200
Total Daily Ridership: 1,177,900
Population: 5,965,343 people



San Fran:

Subway: 379,300
Light Rail: 162,500
Bus: 492,700
Commuter Rail: 41,400
Total Daily Ridership: 1,075,900
Population: 4,335,391 people
You'd have to go with the population numbers covered by each system, in which case Chicago would be less probably closer to 7mil, Boston would be higher, probably closer to 7mil, DC would be higher, since its commuter rail goes all the way out to bmore, it would also probably be closer to 7mil, Philly would be lower, since the Jersey side transit wasn't factored in, around 4 mil, and SanFran would be around 7mil.

depending on the thread discussion apparently some metros can range anywhere from 4-8mil, while others are the same regardless.
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