Four major middle Midwest metros: Kansas City, Saint Louis, Omaha, Indianapolis (places, people)

[Ghengis]

Originally Posted by robertpolyglot

People will always talk about Chicago. You hear enough flack about Detroit and Cleveland. You hear a lot of "debate" about Minneapolis.

So, of the less discussed and slightly smaller metro areas, Kansas City, Saint Louis, Omaha, Indianapolis, which one is the best mix of overall QOL aspects and a brighter future. Please take the poll and explain your answer.

whadaya mean by "debate", that sounds like some kind of racist code to me....robert (if that's your real name )

[iamjacobm]

Originally Posted by TheBeagleLady

The CWS stadium is too big for their needs. Hell, Rosenblatt was too big. Seems like they are doing well in their own stadium. As for NHL, it will never happen. Omaha is not a major league sports town and never will be. Personally, I'm happy with the two levels of hockey they have.

Their new ball park doesn't do much for Omaha though. It also is in the middle of a field, by nothing.

I am still convinced a deal could of been worked out for the Storm Chasers downtown if the powers that be weren't so darn stubborn.

[SNEwx_46]

1. St. Louis
2. Kansas City
3. Indianapolis
4. Omaha

[Mutiny77]

Indy strikes me as the most (economically) progressive of this bunch.

[Broadrippleguy]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Indy strikes me as the most (economically) progressive of this bunch.

Yep. Cause Hoosiers dont sit around and let the birds of opportunity fly away
Hoosier Hospitality is great though hence one major reason i love it here.
People are civilized and willing to go out of their way to help you.
the 5 great mayors of change in Indianapolis in order.
Richard Lugar *Now US senator from Indiana* he consolidated Indianapolis to its current size. Mayor Bill Hudnutt the 2nd also known as the maker of Modern Indy Mayor, Stephen Goldsmith the Consolidator, Bart Peterson the Education Reformer, Mayor Greg Ballard the Pro Business/repair our Infrastructure guy.

[TheBeagleLady]

Originally Posted by iamjacobm

Their new ball park doesn't do much for Omaha though. It also is in the middle of a field, by nothing.

I am still convinced a deal could of been worked out for the Storm Chasers downtown if the powers that be weren't so darn stubborn.

I don't think a deal would have mattered. It's too big and nobody wants to go to a game when the vast majority of the stadium is empty!

I don't care too much that it doesn't benefit Omaha. I have more loyalty to Papillion and Sarpy County, and from what I can tell it's a success so far. I don't live there anymore so I haven't been to any games.

[robertpolyglot]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

Yep. Cause Hoosiers dont sit around and let the birds of opportunity fly away
Hoosier Hospitality is great though hence one major reason i love it here.
People are civilized and willing to go out of their way to help you.
the 5 great mayors of change in Indianapolis in order.
Richard Lugar *Now US senator from Indiana* he consolidated Indianapolis to its current size. Mayor Bill Hudnutt the 2nd also known as the maker of Modern Indy Mayor, Stephen Goldsmith the Consolidator, Bart Peterson the Education Reformer, Mayor Greg Ballard the Pro Business/repair our Infrastructure guy.

I will give you this. Out of the 4 I queried on the OP/poll, I will say that Indianapolis has the nicest people I've met, and possibly more so than in most other US cities.

[s.davis]

Originally Posted by west336

I don't think so. They are roughly the same, but STL should always be considered slightly larger.

Urbanized area is a much better measure of "city" size. StL is 2.15 million, Cleveland is 1.78 million.

KC is 1.52, Indy is 1.49, and Omaha is 0.725, for comparison relevant to the OP's list.


Metro population densities are very comparable among the 3 bigger cities, with significantly smaller Omaha as the outlier. Highest to lowest they are:

Omaha at 2673 ppsm

StL at 2329 ppsm

Cleveland at 2306ppsm

KC at 2242

Indy at 2107

[iamjacobm]

Originally Posted by TheBeagleLady

I don't think a deal would have mattered. It's too big and nobody wants to go to a game when the vast majority of the stadium is empty!

I don't care too much that it doesn't benefit Omaha. I have more loyalty to Papillion and Sarpy County, and from what I can tell it's a success so far. I don't live there anymore so I haven't been to any games.

Creighton baseball is enjoying the big stadium!

Just more that the new AAA stadium literally isn't near anything. No dining, shopping, hotels, homes nothing just empty space. Makes for a really boring before and after experience while at a Creighton game I can ride down get a bite to eat before and a few drinks after without having to drive all over the place.

Good crowds fun in game atmosphere, but it really doesn't do much for the urbanist in me. It would of been much much better in a different location where an outlet mall and entertainment district are supposed to be built. Sort of make it a similar area to the Legends area of KC.

[pw72]

I voted for St. Louis because it has the best historical record of being a big city. You can still see this today, with many historical buildings near downtown, and some mid-century high rise construction outside of downtown. St. Louis may not have the population lead it once had, but it still seems "big-city", as opposed to the other options here.