Four major middle Midwest metros: Kansas City, Saint Louis, Omaha, Indianapolis (best, better)

[thefallensrvnge]

KCMO, honestly I agree with everything you said. JOCO is a ball buster. My assumption was that you wanted all business to remain, or come to the KCMO side, leaving both Wyandotte and JOCO an uninhabitable wasteland. I've seen you defend KCMO, but not KCK (maybe you have, sorry). I agree that JOCO should share the wealth a little, or at the very least let KCK prosper a more. However, I doubt Wyandotte could've ever become something like St. Paul. It would probably be a sprawling suburb because a skyscraper in Kansas would be a sin.

Originally Posted by iamjacobm

We miss out on that that suburb drama up here!

...I'm moving to Omaha.

[west336]

Originally Posted by thefallensrvnge

KCMO, honestly I agree with everything you said. JOCO is a ball buster. My assumption was that you wanted all business to remain, or come to the KCMO side, leaving both Wyandotte and JOCO an uninhabitable wasteland. I've seen you defend KCMO, but not KCK (maybe you have, sorry). I agree that JOCO should share the wealth a little, or at the very least let KCK prosper a more. However, I doubt Wyandotte could've ever become something like St. Paul. It would probably be a sprawling suburb because a skyscraper in Kansas would be a sin.



...I'm moving to Omaha.

St. Paul was actually the first city (in this instance, Kansas City, MO) in the metro area, and its twin wasn't Minneapolis, it was St. Anthony. Minneapolis developed on the other side of the river from St. Anthony and the rest is history (today, there is a small section still labeled "St. Anthony", right on the border of Minneapolis and St. Paul).

[iamjacobm]

Originally Posted by thefallensrvnge

...I'm moving to Omaha.

Haha, then you just have to deal with Lincoln and the rural residents out west squabbles.

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by thefallensrvnge

It would probably be a sprawling suburb because a skyscraper in Kansas would be a sin.

KCK has torn down more buildings over ten stories than they have built in the past 30 years.

Overland Park has built many buildings of 10-20 stories though.

This would look great in downtown KCK instead of along the beltway.

http://www.examiner.com/sites/defaul...eraton%201.jpg

[Chal45]

I think all cities are great, but when everything adds up, the winner is St. Louis. STL has the largest economy, largest population. KC is truly a close second, but St. Louis seems more vibrant. Indianapolis is getting there though. St. Louis has more of an art and shopping scene. When comparing the City Centers, St. Louis beats Kansas City by a small margin. The city center of STL is more active, with many restaurants, shops, and is where most of the people who live in the city reside. Downtown Kansas City (From what I have seen) is Nice, but there is not much to do, and not many restaurants or shops outside of P&L. The Plaza is a bit far from downtown and is not really in walking distance. There are a few museums, but in the downtown proper, there is little to do.

[pitriz]

I grew up in Southern Illinois right across from STL. Worked there every day until Unions took a hit and plant closures, went to Denver. Overall it's a great town and blows the rest away. History,Culture, Activities, Hard Working Blue Collar.................Hands Down & I have been to them all. All nice but not like STL... Go Cardinal's

[Broadrippleguy]

Originally Posted by pitriz

I grew up in Southern Illinois right across from STL. Worked there every day until Unions took a hit and plant closures, went to Denver. Overall it's a great town and blows the rest away. History,Culture, Activities, Hard Working Blue Collar.................Hands Down & I have been to them all. All nice but not like STL... Go Cardinal's

Go colts #1
and #2 Indianapolis has the win on a better Downtown.
Ive been to Downtown St Louis and for its size its really small.
Neighborhood quality is a different story though.

[Caesarstl]

Originally Posted by Broadrippleguy

Go colts #1
and #2 Indianapolis has the win on a better Downtown.
Ive been to Downtown St Louis and for its size its really small.
Neighborhood quality is a different story though.

Yeah, St. Louis's strengths are in its very diverse and electrified neighborhoods both during the day and for nightlife (St. Louis also has more than one CBD, for better or for worse...). There are a lot of choices for where to go to have a great time, but it's not exactly the easiest setup for out-of-towners who don't necessarily know where to go and just assume downtown is where it's at.

That being said, St. Louis is investing very heavily in its downtown. I want to say around over $10 billion recently, with a new bridge across the Mississippi, street-scape developments, redone opera, redone central library, the Old Post-Office Square development, the redesign of the Arch grounds, the City-Garden development, MX-Exchange, countless warehouses converted into lofts, countless new restaurants/bars/clubs, Ballpark village finally starting, the Lumiere Casino/Four Seasons Hotel Tower, etc. Downtown St. Louis's population grew somewhere around 350% in the last census, it is def improving. A new streetcar line is also being proposed/designed in addition to the proposed N/S extension of the Metrolink system still being in the works.

[The Illusive Man]

I would probably pick Indianapolis out of all of them. Kansas City is decent, St.Louis is nothing special. Omaha is nothing special either.

[STLgasm]

Originally Posted by The Illusive Man

I would probably pick Indianapolis out of all of them. Kansas City is decent, St.Louis is nothing special. Omaha is nothing special either.

St. Louis is nothing special, but Indianapolis is? Pass the bong, dude!