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Absolutely, but the scale of the Latin American influence on Miami is greater than the international influence in any city in Northern California or Texas. Miami was pretty much a traditional Jim Crow Southern city before 1959, within only 15 years after the Cuban Revolution the city leaders were already shifting a major part of the economy towards Latin American trade/finance/tourism and calling Miami the "Capital of Latin America", as well as declaring Dade County "bilingual".
Nowadays a large and important part of Miami's economy depends on Latin American banking/trade/tourism as well as the millions of international visitors from all over the world that arrive every year for vacation, shopping and business. Cuban politicians have been a dominant force in the county's politics and business since the early 80's, only a couple decades after they arrived in the United States. You can see the effects of US foreign policy clearly in Miami's demographics and immigration patterns - Nicaraguans & Colombians in the 80's, Haitians in the 80's & 90's, Venezuelans in the 00's, the waves of Cubans since the 60's.
Today Miami is the only county in the US that is majority foreign born. No city in Texas or California has been transformed by immigration and international influences the way Miami has been.
Ah they're now including Lake County into the MSA. Last I checked Lake County was CSA. Ah well give it another 2 years and it'll drop below that 52% threshold even with Lake County.
Absolutely, but the scale of the Latin American influence on Miami is greater than the international influence in any city in Northern California or Texas.
No, it means that the international population in Miami is overwhelmingly Latin American. Actually if we look at just foreigners born in the Americas(not including US), the Bay Area is far less so than the other large Metro regions.
Foreigners Born the Americas, 2010:
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 88.2%
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 67.5%
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 65.8%
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 34.8%
Also, with respect to foreigners and education and affluence, the Bay Area has a much higher number and percentage of educated and affluent foreigners than the Miami area.
Foreign Born Adults with a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2010:
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 730,096 37.6% of all foreign born adults
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 321,024 17.0% of all foreign born adults
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 250,551 22.6% of all foreign born adults
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 211,503 22.7% of all foreign born adults
Employed Foreign Born Persons earning $65,000+ annually, 2010:
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 395,610 22.2% of all employed foreign born persons
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 154,417 9.0% of all foreign born persons
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 119,134 12.1% of all foreign born persons
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 92,000 10.8% of all foreign born persons
This level of affluence also applies to minorities in general.
Minority Households Earning $100K+, 2010:
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 381,206 30.5% of all minority households
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 128,441 14.4% of all minority households
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 144,135 12.8% of all minority households
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 128,441 13.1% of all minority households
Sometimes I think people get confused by the superficial and a few sightings of brown people(Im brown too btw) in Ferraris leads them to make false assumptions.
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So Dallas, Houston, & Miami aren't cosmopolitan cities?
Typical Californian mentality who has never ventured outside of the box.
Dallas & Houston make up the 4th & 5th largest US metros after New York, LA, & Chicago in that order.
San Francisco is a distant 11th.
Yeah, way to completely ignore that SFs metro should actually include San Jose, and that its CSA is larger than both Houston and Dallas. In other words, the SF Bay Area has more people (living in a smaller area) than either Houston or Dallas.
No, it means that the international population in Miami is overwhelmingly Latin American. Actually if we look at just foreigners born in the Americas(not including US), the Bay Area is far less so than the other large Metro regions.
Foreigners Born the Americas, 2010:
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 88.2%
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX 67.5%
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX 65.8%
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 34.8%
As you know I'm sure, the Latin American community in Miami is very diverse and not monolithic. In fact, you posted a chart earlier in this thread that showed that Miami's Latin population has large communities from 23 different countries, more diverse than any single group in either Houston or the Bay Area. Miami may not be as linguistically diverse a region as others but in terms of nationalities represented in visible communities it's hard to beat. The Bay area has a slight edge in that chart in total numbers of 5,000+ foreign born communities but its total population is also larger than South FL's population by about 2 million people.
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Also, with respect to foreigners and education and affluence, the Bay Area has a much higher number and percentage of educated and affluent foreigners than the Miami area.
Foreign Born Adults with a Bachelor Degree or Higher, 2010:
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 730,096 37.6% of all foreign born adults
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 321,024 17.0% of all foreign born adults
Employed Foreign Born Persons earning $65,000+ annually, 2010:
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 395,610 22.2% of all employed foreign born persons
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 154,417 9.0% of all foreign born persons
This level of affluence also applies to minorities in general.
Minority Households Earning $100K+, 2010:
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA 381,206 30.5% of all minority households
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 144,135 12.8% of all minority households
Sometimes I think people get confused by the superficial and a few sightings of brown people(Im brown too btw) in Ferraris leads them to make false assumptions.
Ok, but I didn't make the point that the foreign born population in Miami was wealthier than the Bay Area's. I concede that point, the Bay Area has the tech industry which is high paying and attracts foreign talent. Miami does receive a number of wealthy immigrants but doesn't attract the amount of skilled labor that the Bay does. My point was that the scale of influence from foreign immigrants and international factors was greater in Miami, in aspects from business, politics to everyday life.
Not sure the point of that last comment about "brown" people, I myself was part of the Spanish-Speaking Latin Immigrant Horde that came to Miami in the 80's. Anyway, I do appreciate the statistics you provide.
And why is that? Because it has a large albeit diverse Hispanic population? Northern California (especially) and Houston (and Dallas for that matter) have a very large and diverse Asian population. Something that is missing in Miami.
No. Why would you think that cosmopolitan and international have anything to do with Hispanic populations? Miami is more cosmopolitan and international. Yes, it has more Hispanics, including south Americans, central Americans, and Europeans, but Miami is also more international not-including the Hispanic population. As for it being more cosmopolitan, this has more to do with the fact that Miami has more of a cosmopolitan culture than any city in Texas or NorCal than it has to do with the diversity of the city population.
To be quite honest, out here where I live, when you say the words "San Francisco" the first thing that pops into the average minority's mind is a liberal driving a prius. To the rest of the United States, San Francisco and the Bay Area doesn't have the reputation of being an international center, but rather a place where Whites and Asians (who really aren't minorities, for the 1000th time) can congregate and pontificate about how the rest of us should live.
Real minorities, such as Blacks and Latinos, take offense to that.
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Originally Posted by Slevin Kelevra
No. Why would you think that cosmopolitan and international have anything to do with Hispanic populations? Miami is more cosmopolitan and international. Yes, it has more Hispanics, including south Americans, central Americans, and Europeans, but Miami is also more international not-including the Hispanic population. As for it being more cosmopolitan, this has more to do with the fact that Miami has more of a cosmopolitan culture than any city in Texas or NorCal than it has to do with the diversity of the city population.
Except, to be fair, SF Bay has a way higher Mexican and Salvadorian population than Miami. Statistics have been posted in this thread that prove that.
And not to mention the millions of Asians (who aren't some monolithic bloc of people, but contain ethnicities and peoples that pretty much make up 54% of the planet's population) and Euorpeans that live in SF Bay that aren't nearly as present in Miami.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please advise.
The census is weird when it comes to languages. They dont post all languages just what they consider the largest and the rest are divied up into groups, anyway here are the largest Foreign Languages & Language Groups by 5,000+ speakers, 2010 Census
25,000+ speakers in Bold Red
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX: 19 groups Spanish 1,360,552 Vietnamese 64,803 Other Asian Languages 39,297 African Languages 38,223 Chinese 34,608 Korean 28,737
Other Indic Languages 24,235
French 21,323
Arabic 19,891
Hindi 19,742
Urdu 16,884
Tagalog 16,271
German 14,245
Persian 12,123
Gujarati 11,428
Laotian 7,604
Russian 6,219
Portuguese 6,077
Other Indo-European Languages 5,381
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX: 17 groups Spanish 1,612,876 Vietnamese 99,264 Chinese 63,564 Urdu 34,288 African Languages 29,517 Other Asian Languages 27,235
Tagalog 24,138
Arabic 24,020
Hindi 23,603
French 20,025
Other Indic Languages 17,804
Korean 12,907
German 11,563
Gujarati 11,431
Persian 8,148
Portuguese 6,894
Russian 6,227
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL: 19 groups Spanish 2,091,782 French 54,774
Chinese 22,731
Italian 20,348
Portuguese 47,941
Hebrew 13,601
Other Asian Languages 13,163
Tagalog 13,153
Russian 12,318
Vietnamese 11,494
Arabic 10,910
Other Indo-European Languages 7,745
Polish 7,220
Urdu 7,017
German 6,749
Yiddish 5,883
Other West Germanic Languages 5,831
Gujarati 5,706
Greek 5,114
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA: 30 groups Spanish 1,253,315 Chinese 485,172 Tagalog 238,760 Vietnamese 160,127 Other Asian Languages 80,691 Korean 66,623 Hindi 66,528 Other Indic Languages 56,746 French 43,655 Russian 42,122 Persian 41,596 Japanese 38,152 Pacific Island Languages 37,310 Arabic 32,498 German 29,884
Portuguese 24,140
Italian 21,733
African Languages 21,282
Gujarati 15,769
Urdu 14,693
Camdodian 12,841
Thai 10,012
Hebrew 7,749
Greek 7,645
Other West Germanic Languages 7,558
Scandinavian Languages 7,375
Other Slavic Languages 7,251
Other Indo-European Languages 7,168
Serbo-Croatian 6,341
Laotian 6,148
To be quite honest, out here where I live, when you say the words "San Francisco" the first thing that pops into the average minority's mind is a liberal driving a prius. To the rest of the United States, San Francisco and the Bay Area doesn't have the reputation of being an international center, but rather a place where Whites and Asians (who really aren't minorities, for the 1000th time) can congregate and pontificate about how the rest of us should live.
Real minorities, such as Blacks and Latinos, take offense to that.
Except, to be fair, SF Bay has a way higher Mexican and Salvadorian population than Miami. Statistics have been posted in this thread that prove that.
And not to mention the millions of Asians (who aren't some monolithic bloc of people, but contain ethnicities and peoples that pretty much make up 54% of the planet's population) and Euorpeans that live in SF Bay that aren't nearly as present in Miami.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please advise.
Yeah, not sure a Mexican or Salvadorian population is adding to the cosmopolitan feel of a city.
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