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View Poll Results: Are these 7 more on the international stage than the other cities of North America?
Yes! 65 91.55%
Nahhh, I don't agree with this for whatever reason 6 8.45%
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:14 PM
 
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Lol...talk about ignorant. London and Paris were settled and grew just like Washington DC. How do you think a city is built? A group of people come along and settle the land. It's pretty simple. We have one of the youngest countries in the world. Every capital around the world was established as a settlement and grew over the years at some point in history. DC is no different. Wonder what you would say if most of the financial business for this country was done in the capital Washington DC like it's done in London, Paris, or Tokyo. But America being retarded decided not to do that. Could you imagine if America had a city with the political and financial capitals in the same city? DC would make NYC, Tokyo, London, and Paris look like townships. The city would be insane. Arlington would still be apart of DC and so would half of MD. The strip between DC and Baltimore would be so developed you wouldn't know where the cities borders began.
Well, they should've just done what those countries did then and just kept their foremost city as the capital rather than establishing one specifically to be the capital. I think in that case it might have remained as Philadelphia or New York City, though I guess the southerns states would have been none too pleased. It would be a pretty interesting parallel history if Philadelphia were to have been the capital of the fledgling nation (since it was already the largest city at the time). The Erie Canal had to go through NYC regardless so that city would have probably kept with the economic dominance, but Philly might have ended up keeping up to some extent and the US would wind up with two amazingly powerful cities within a fairly short drive of each other.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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How so? They both became capitals for fairly similar reasons--along with Canberra in Australia and Wellington in New Zealand. Ottawa is somewhat similar, but I think there was also the fear of invasion.
Well for one, Brasilia isn't in the same stratosphere as DC. Have you seem DC's GDP? Brasilia can't hold DC's jock strap in anything really. Look at the density of that city. You can't be serious!
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:20 PM
 
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Lol...talk about ignorant. London and Paris were settled and grew just like Washington DC. How do you think a city is built? A group of people come along and settle the land. It's pretty simple. We have one of the youngest countries in the world. Every capital around the world was established as a settlement and grew over the years at some point in history. DC is no different. Wonder what you would say if most of the financial business for this country was done in the capital Washington DC like it's done in London, Paris, or Tokyo. But America being retarded decided not to do that. Could you imagine if America had a city with the political and financial capitals in the same city? DC would make NYC, Tokyo, London, and Paris look like townships. The city would be insane. Arlington would still be apart of DC and so would half of MD. The strip between DC and Baltimore would be so developed you wouldn't know where the cities borders began.
At its core DC is weak because it has no real capacity for heavy industry, which is the backbone of almost all non-vacation cities. Cities like Philly pay a price for their contributions.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:23 PM
 
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Well for one, Brasilia isn't in the same stratosphere as DC. Have you seem DC's GDP? Brasilia can't hold DC's jock strap in anything really. Look at the density of that city. You can't be serious!
I thought it was obvious why he mentioned it though and that's why I put in other examples of the like--capital cities that were established in order to become capital cities. I don't think anyone tried to argue density or GDP.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:30 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Well, they should've just done what those countries did then and just kept their foremost city as the capital rather than establishing one specifically to be the capital. I think in that case it might have remained as Philadelphia or New York City, though I guess the southerns states would have been none too pleased. It would be a pretty interesting parallel history if Philadelphia were to have been the capital of the fledgling nation (since it was already the largest city at the time). The Erie Canal had to go through NYC regardless so that city would have probably kept with the economic dominance, but Philly might have ended up keeping up to some extent and the US would wind up with two amazingly powerful cities within a fairly short drive of each other.
Yeah that imaginary scenario would be interesting....but it didn't happen. DC is the capital of the most powerful city in the nation and is rising faster than any other densely built city in the nation after a half of century of neglect do to America's disgust with investment in predominetly African American cities. In fact, without September 11th, I believe DC would be exactly where it was like all the other black cities in the nation which are all still struggling. It's hard enough to get American businesses to build grocery stores in black neighborhoods much less build new office buildings and new residential housing. Sigh....it's the world we live in.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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At its core DC is weak because it has no real capacity for heavy industry, which is the backbone of almost all non-vacation cities. Cities like Philly pay a price for their contributions.
Let's be clear, Philly isn't in DC's ballpark so talking about Philly in this discussion is a waist of time. Philly used to be really powerful, we no longer live in that time period anymore. It's all history now.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:38 PM
 
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Yeah that imaginary scenario would be interesting....but it didn't happen. DC is the capital of the most powerful city in the nation and is rising faster than any other densely built city in the nation after a half of century of neglect do to America's disgust with investment in predominetly African American cities. In fact, without September 11th, I believe DC would be exactly where it was like all the other black cities in the nation which are all still struggling. It's hard enough to get American businesses to build grocery stores in black neighborhoods much less build new office buildings and new residential housing. Sigh....it's the world we live in.
Well, if anyone were looking for a reason for why DC isn't as preeminent as capitals for other countries are, then the selection process of where to put the capital pretty much explains it. The imaginary scenario would be for if they went with what the UK or France did--just go with the biggest and most powerful city and concentrate power there. Obviously, the US didn't do that, but at the same time it makes little sense to decry that DC isn't in those ranks while not acknowledging that it was not chosen for its preeminence in the first place.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:38 PM
 
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I thought it was obvious why he mentioned it though and that's why I put in other examples of the like--capital cities that were established in order to become capital cities. I don't think anyone tried to argue density or GDP.
The point is, DC is a very powerful city and Brasilia isn't so the comparison is a mute point. By the way, DC is rising faster than any other city as a financial capital now so the congress road blocks of the last century have been defeated. DC has broke free of it's shackles and is bursting through all barriers right now. The fight for representation and the fight to abandon the congressional height shackles are all being examined. DC is about to finish it's jail time and then there will be nothing left to stop the city.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:42 PM
 
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The point is, DC is a very powerful city and Brasilia isn't so the comparison is a mute point. By the way, DC is rising faster than any other city as a financial capital now so the congress road blocks of the last century have been defeated. DC has broke free of it's shackles and is bursting through all barriers right now. The fight for representation and the fight to abandon the congressional height shackles are all being examined. DC is about to finish it's jail time and then there will be nothing left to stop the city.
Sounds good. I hope we don't put too much investment in it and manage to spread it around. There are a lot of major cities that could seriously use some massive infrastruture improvements and are in much greater need than DC at the moment.
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Old 04-29-2012, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Well, if anyone were looking for a reason for why DC isn't as preeminent as capitals for other countries are, then the selection process of where to put the capital pretty much explains it. The imaginary scenario would be for if they went with what the UK or France did--just go with the biggest and most powerful city and concentrate power there. Obviously, the US didn't do that, but at the same time it makes little sense to decry that DC isn't in those ranks while not acknowledging that it was not chosen for its preeminence in the first place.
I definely agree that the process was different. DC was built to be the capital. That is why it is so sacred. It was established to rule over the entire country. Funny thing is, that is not what happened. It became a prison camp instead shackling its residents every move while stealing food from their mouths without proper compensation. Controlling every aspect of their lives as their citizens need permission just to breath. Finally that dictatorship is coming to an end as DC is gaining it's own power finally and taking its rightful place near the head of the table.
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