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The 30 shootings is one precinct, with about 180,000 people. The city has had 500 shootings so far this year in 5 months. I doubt any place of similar size has as much shootings as the Brooklyn and Bronx hoods. The 48th precinct only has about 80,000 people and it has had 26 shootings in 5 months.
Same. Unfortunately there's probably been that many homocides in East Oakland (around 100,000 people) in that same time-frame between now and the beginning of this year, let alone shootings. Not counting the Oikos University massacre there's been 40+ homocides so far this year throughout the city, most of them in East and West Oakland. The majority of them are concentrated in the Fruitvale area, Seminary and the Deep East, which are probably less than 50,000 people combined. It's been bloody this year.
Eight shot, three fatally, in Camden within a 24-hour period from Wednesday evening to Thursday evening. Five homicides in the last six days. Keep in mind that this is a city of 77,344 people. Thankfully, I live across the Delaware in Philadelphia.
There's something to be said about NYC Precincts being the size of small cities. For example, these where the highest crime areas in the city last year.
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73rd precinct : Brownsville, Brooklyn
Population: 86,468
Murder rate: 30 per 100,000
Rape rate: 36 per 100,000
Robbery rate: 627 per 100,000
Assault rate: 726 per 100,000
Violent crime rate : 1,419 per 100,000
40th precinct : Mott Haven, Bronx
Population: 91,497
Murder rate: 23 per 100,000
Rape rate: 25 per 100,000
Robbery rate: 434 per 100,000
Assault rate: 497 per 100,000
Violent crime rate: 979 per 100,000
81st Precinct : Bedford -Stuyvesant, Brooklyn
Population: 62,722
Murder rate: 19 per 100,000
Rape rate: 26 per 100,000
Robbery rate: 533 per 100,000
Assault rate: 461 per 100,000
Violent crime rate: 1,037 per 100,000
25th precinct : East Harlem, New York
Population: 47,405
Murder rate: 19 per 100,000
Rape rate: 49 per 100,000
Robbery rate: 487 per 100,000
Assault rate: 478 per 100,000
Violent crime rate: 1,033 per 100,000
41st Precinct : Hunts Point, Bronx
Population: 52,246
Murder rate: 10 per 100,000
Rape rate: 34 per 100,000
Robbery rate: 574 per 100,000
Assault rate: 827 per 100,000
Violent crime rate: 1,445 per 100,000
I want you guys to take a look at the stats. Some of them are crazy. Hunts Point assault rate is insane, as is it's violent crime rate. Brownsville with it's high murder rate would be as bad as any small city in the country. Brownsville's violent crime rate would put it on the level of Trenton and Compton (cities 60,000-100,000) and in the top 3, with a higher murder rate to boot. Furthermore, Bed-Stuy would be in the top 7 in total VC, and Top 5 in murder in the country.
Hunts Point would have the 3rd highest assault rate in the country (cities 40,000 to 60,000) and the 4th highest violent crime rate. Similarly, East Harlem would be top 7.
What I am getting at is that these precincts are so big, that you can almost view them as seperate cities. They all have enough population to be considered small cities. Now within these "small cities" there are crime rates as bad as anywhere in Detroit and Chicago. Meaning, in other cities, you get statistics for areas of around 1,000 people. They are broken down that way. It inflates the numbers a little bit IMO. 1,000 people is equivalent to a city block in any of these hoods.
But I realize that Chicago and Detroit are much more dangerous as a whole than NYC. Just showing that NYC still has it's bad areas.
There's something to be said about NYC Precincts being the size of small cities. For example, these where the highest crime areas in the city last year.
I want you guys to take a look at the stats. Some of them are crazy. Hunts Point assault rate is insane, as is it's violent crime rate. Brownsville with it's high murder rate would be as bad as any small city in the country. Brownsville's violent crime rate would put it on the level of Trenton and Compton (cities 60,000-100,000) and in the top 3, with a higher murder rate to boot. Furthermore, Bed-Stuy would be in the top 7 in total VC, and Top 5 in murder in the country.
Hunts Point would have the 3rd highest assault rate in the country (cities 40,000 to 60,000) and the 4th highest violent crime rate. Similarly, East Harlem would be top 7.
What I am getting at is that these precincts are so big, that you can almost view them as seperate cities. They all have enough population to be considered small cities. Now within these "small cities" there are crime rates as bad as anywhere in Detroit and Chicago. Meaning, in other cities, you get statistics for areas of around 1,000 people. They are broken down that way. It inflates the numbers a little bit IMO. 1,000 people is equivalent to a city block in any of these hoods.
But I realize that Chicago and Detroit are much more dangerous as a whole than NYC. Just showing that NYC still has it's bad areas.
I agree, if those NY hoods were their own cities, they'd be among the most dangerous in the US. But same could be said for any cities neighborhoods really. And any small town.
Overtown in Miami, pop. 10,000: 16 homicides(Last year I think).
Riviera Beach FL, pop. 32,000: Averages 14-16 homicides a year and a myriad of shootings.
Miami Gardens FL, Pop. just over 99,000: Averages about 24-30 homicides a year.
Alright take that first sentence with a grain of salt. I still do believe it has to be one of the most dangerous places in the world. Go to the slums of countries around the world and you will see the conditions are not much better than some hoods in America. People think that because America has the strongest economy in the world that the hoods in america are not that bad.
I watched law and disorder in Philadelphia with documentarian thoureux and north Philly looks just as bad as the slums in rio brazil or the bombed out parts of Beirut if not worse. I know it was filmed 5 or 6 years ago and new buildings have been built on vacant land but there is still plenty of destroyed parts of north Philly. I also did a document,entry about someone who grew up in west philly and that was no joke either.
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Originally Posted by mas23
True. Compared to other developed nations, the poor in America generally have a lower quality of life and are comparable to second world countries. Poor neighborhoods in America (the most powerful contry in the world) also tend to be more violent then poor neighborhoods in other developed countries.
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I agree, the U.S also have way more guns then most of the 3rd world...
Those NY crime stats are amazing -- amazingly low. I remember the National Geographic article in like 1990 about East Harlem. It looked like hell. Now its robbery rate is about the same as my Chicago neighborhood (West Town community area), which has yuppie moms pushing strollers around. The change in NY in the last 20 years never ceases to amaze me.
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