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Pacific Collegiate
Roseland University prep
Lowell
Mission San Jose
American Indian
Summit Preparatory
Monta Vista
Henry M. Gunn
Campolindo
Miramonte
Lynbrook
Redwood
Piedmont
Palo Alto
Saratoga
Ruth Asawa San Francisco School of the Arts
16 top 200 high schools in the bay vs 3 in Delaware valley. Want to take it to top 300? The bay has 21 and Delaware valley still has 3.
1. There's no truly accurate way to compare school districts between states. US News uses each state's own testing standards to determine rankings. It also heavily skews towards schools with AP participation, which should not necessarily be an indicator of educational rigor. That's just one example among many.
2. Top rankings do not provide an adequate picture of overall or average education. I'm pretty sure there's more than 16 high schools in the entire Bay Area, as there are certainly more than 3 in the Philly area.
Overall California's educational system ranks well below Pennsylvanias which imo is a better barometer for comparing the education given to the avg student.. And the Philadelphia suburbs completely dominate the PA rankings. Like 12 of the 15 highest performing public high schools in PA reside in the Philadelphia metro.
To sum it up SF possesses more elitist prep schools than philly but the avg High School education in the Philadelphia most likely surpasses The Bay Area, going by state norms.
To sum it up SF possesses more elitist prep schools than philly but the avg High School education in the Philadelphia most likely surpasses The Bay Area, going by state norms.
Exactly. Cross-state comparisons are fare more accurate when looking at performance on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) exams:
Here is Education Week's most recent state-level scoring of 2011 NAEP scores:
To sum it up SF possesses more elitist prep schools than philly but the avg High School education in the Philadelphia most likely surpasses The Bay Area, going by state norms.
Actually many of those high schools were public high schools like Monta Vista, Mission San Jose, and Henry M. Gunn. There more than just 3 for the bay but none in Phily.
Also the first list will show you schools by their designation, IE performing arts, charter, magnet, selective, and open enrollment. Enjoy your lowly place because you still don't place with the bay LOL. So even when you elimate the "elitest snob schools" of both metros all it shows is how much further ahead the bay is than Phily since it then has ZERO high schools that rank in the top 100 and the bay has 5 (Mission San Jose, Lynbrook, Monta Vista, Henry M. Gunn, Saratoga). Careful what you wish for, bub. America
Scrantix it is clear you cannot comprehend what we are saying... sure the Bay Area has some schools that rank higher than Philly's... but overall, shown by the statistics, the average person is going to get a better education in the Delaware Valley than the Bay Area because New Jersey, PA, MD and DE all rank higher than California for education.... do you not understand this? Clearly you're "superior" Bay Area education is not as superior as you think if you can't understand.
Scrantix it is clear you cannot comprehend what we are saying... sure the Bay Area has some schools that rank higher than Philly's... but overall, shown by the statistics, the average person is going to get a better education in the Delaware Valley than the Bay Area because New Jersey, PA, MD and DE all rank higher than California for education.... do you not understand this? Clearly you're "superior" Bay Area education is not as superior as you think if you can't understand.
..because clearly, the Bay Area is all of California. A failing school district in Fresno is clearly something the Bay Area should take responsibility for
So now if that's the implication, does that mean that SF can claim every part of California to its benefit? No it doesn't.
Not saying scrantiX is correct, but shouldn't this be done on a district vs. district basis? Isn't that the more intellectually honest thing to do than have a small sample size only exemplifying the exemplary schools or having too large of one to mean anything?
As for this thread, any city can be compared to any other city. That's why this forum exists, no?
Scrantix it is clear you cannot comprehend what we are saying...
k summers, lets play it your way.
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sure the Bay Area has some schools that rank higher than Philly's...
Some would be an understatement.
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but overall, shown by the statistics, the average person is going to get a better education in the Delaware Valley than the Bay Area because New Jersey, PA, MD and DE all rank higher than California for education....
This is the point your trying to make not the point childphily made. He flat out said Phily is up there with the bay on high schools and that is a LIE.
He was stomped on his face by a 70lbs boot. STOMPED.
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do you not understand this?
The high school list is all I needed to understand. In which case the bay STOMPS on Phily but you don't like so then lets just count every person living in both metros and see how educated they are.
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Clearly you're "superior" Bay Area education is not as superior as you think if you can't understand.
I understand clearly. You and your posse are moving the goal post from what childphily had it as.
% high school grad Phily 87.9%
% high school grad the bay 86.7%
% college grad Phily 32%
% college grad the bay 41.4%
That said, although Phily doesn't have as many high schools that rank up there with the bay its still one of the best educated metros in the US for high schoolers along with the bay. I can agree with that because that's true but I do NOT agree with that other Phily posters's point that Phily has as many good high schools as the bay. Top 50, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300? Not close, even when you count only open enrollment public high schools.
Also the first list will show you schools by their designation, IE performing arts, charter, magnet, selective, and open enrollment. Enjoy your lowly place because you still don't place with the bay LOL. So even when you elimate the "elitest snob schools" of both metros all it shows is how much further ahead the bay is than Phily since it then has ZERO high schools that rank in the top 100 and the bay has 5 (Mission San Jose, Lynbrook, Monta Vista, Henry M. Gunn, Saratoga). Careful what you wish for, bub. America
It's intellectually dishonest to try to use the Top 100 or 200 US High schools as some barometer for the quality of public K-12 education. They educate a very small percentage of students in the region and you're completely ignoring the other 98% of high schools. CA's k-12 system, anywhere in the state, is NOTHING to brag about, not even in the educated Bay Area. For the most part, unless you live in an upper middle-class or wealthier schools district, the schools are most likely to be below average. Maybe if you actually had any experience in CA's public school system you might realize this. Look at the schools in solidly middle class cities like Concord, Fremont, Antioch, etc.. the schools are average at best to below average/poor in many cases. Great we have some at the top but what about all those in the middle? Even though the Bay Area tends to be better off than CA education wise overall it still has the same problems the rest of the state does when it comes public schools. Northeastern states are known for having better schools overall, seems like you can actually live in a middle to lower middle class area and go to a good school, which is rare in CA and the Bay Area.
Also those education rates in the Bay Area are propped up by transplants. When you actually look at people that graduate from public high schools in the Bay Area, the graduation rate drops quite dramatically compared to those of adults over 25 in general. In 2009 it showed graduation rates in Bay Area counties only being 74%.
I don't what the stats are for Philly but they seem to have far less transplants that would prop up there education numbers compared to the Bay Area.
If you're gonna puff out your chest and try to make the Bay Area look all superior, the K-12 public education system is probably one of the last things you want to do that with. It's not a strong point for CA at all or the Bay Area.
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