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Actually, if you want safety, NY is not the place. You have a better chance of witnessing a homicide in NYC than you do in LA. You see, LA is larger in area and has less homicides than NYC, while NYC is smaller in area and has more homicides. So within one square mile of NYC, 2 murders will take place, while in one square mile of LA .6 murders will take place, approximately.
as if having a higher cahnce of being killed is a GOOD thing
Yeah, crime rates are hardly something of which to be proud. Even though I will agree that East Coast cities tend to have more violent crime than West Coast cities, it's pretty messed-up that you'd want to brag about that. Some use that as a way to make us sound tougher, but I am personally devastated and angered by the fact that gun crime still plagues our urban cores. Philadelphia, for example, makes the top ten largest cities for gun murders, and every time I hear about a gun murder on the local news, I'm hardly, like "yeah, that's how we roll..." I think of how awful it must be for innocent people in crime-ridden neighborhoods to live among these criminals -- that they have to fear for their lives just going about a normal day.
Moral of the story: let's stop glorifying this ghetto "gun culture." It's only perpetuating an already difficult problem to solve.
L. A. basher, indirect. Passive/aggressive. You are right about the 'amenities', but you illustrate my original position. By stating "to each his own" you are being subjective. The 'vibe' sucks to you, and the positive aspects of living in Los Angeles still remain, and are very material! Just ask, again, the hundreds of thousands of transplants from your area. You'll hear that so-called special belly laugh all over L. A., Roseba, improving our diversity every day!
Nobody is improving your diversity. Your diversity is diminishing rapidly. According to recent stats, LA is losing its native population to places like NYC, Chicago, Houston, and Miami, while the people that are making a noticeable accumulation in Los Angeles are Hispanic. Almost 50% of Los Angeles is Hispanic. Is this diversity? I think not.
What was the point of posting those pics? I was clearly discussing the diversity and demographics, and all of a sudden pics pop up quoting my reply to the thread? Oh, God, not another one... These clueless Angelenos just keep coming and coming.
Some of those pics prove my point. Los Angeles is unattractive to the true urbanite. It's attractive to the suburbanite (not really), but to a TRUE ubranite, it's the last place we'd live in. Look at the sprawl, you even posted a pic of TRAFFIC, you posted scenery (which I said was nice earlier).
But let's be serious, what do people go to a city for? They go to experience a mother****ing CITY! Not to hike in the damn woods, not to watch deer, not to go to the fricking beach. We go to experience the hustle and bustle of people, not cows. We want skyscrapers, architecture, history, walkability, density, diversity, public transportation, street vendors on every corner, street performers at the subway station, a saxophone player in Central Park, business people carrying their brief case WALKING to work, etc. This is exactly why NYC is the place to be for the urbanite. This is exactly why this forum is "bias" towards East Coast cities. This is a forum urban lovers go to. You want to glorify Los Angeles? Head over to the E! forums, head over to the Soccer Mom forums. But no matter what, NYC and Chicago will always be glorified and dominate city forums.
wow such anger coming from you future. Typical New York animosity towards Los Angeles. Feel free to post up pics of Scarsdale, NY so we can judge
Actually Scarsdale is in Suburban Westchester County. He should post HIS pics of Manhattan and the other boroughs instead.
Those pics of West L.A., especially the picture of the intersection of Santa Monica and Wilshire Boulevards, describe why I love L.A. The entire Westside is my favorite part of the West (unless if my future visit to San Francisco steals my heart).
I have an animosity of Angelenos who act like their city is superior because of Hollywood. I have an animosity towards fakeness, boring architecture, car-cultured cities, who then act like they are the true city on the forum and stick their noses up. They're nothing but a bunch of softies who can't take THE CITY, they have to live in suburbia Southern California.
What was the point of posting those pics? I was clearly discussing the diversity and demographics, and all of a sudden pics pop up quoting my reply to the thread? Oh, God, not another one... These clueless Angelenos just keep coming and coming.
Some of those pics prove my point. Los Angeles is unattractive to the true urbanite. It's attractive to the suburbanite (not really), but to a TRUE ubranite, it's the last place we'd live in. Look at the sprawl, you even posted a pic of TRAFFIC, you posted scenery (which I said was nice earlier).
But let's be serious, what do people go to a city for? They go to experience a mother****ing CITY! Not to hike in the damn woods, not to watch deer, not to go to the fricking beach. We go to experience the hustle and bustle of people, not cows. We want skyscrapers, architecture, history, walkability, density, diversity, public transportation, street vendors on every corner, street performers at the subway station, a saxophone player in Central Park, business people carrying their brief case WALKING to work, etc. This is exactly why NYC is the place to be for the urbanite. This is exactly why this forum is "bias" towards East Coast cities. This is a forum urban lovers go to. You want to glorify Los Angeles? Head over to the E! forums, head over to the Soccer Mom forums. But no matter what, NYC and Chicago will always be glorified and dominate city forums.
I think it's difficult to try and describe what ALL urbanites are looking for. I find it more than hilarious that you believe the qualities that urbanites look for match perfectly with qualities that New York has. If all urbanites desired thousands of mostly bland skyscrapers, filthy public transportation, tired saxophone players in Central Park, and annoying subway performers trying to siphon money out of your pockets by putting on some crappy performance, we'd all live in New York. Based on your post, it's a wonder that urbanites in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Portland, and Denver aren't tripping over and stomping each other to death in an attempt to get the unearthly experience of living in the urban paradise that is New York .
Los Angeles, with its old, congested freeways, horrendous inland pollution, extreme crime rate, constant severe earthquake risk, is still appealing to some. Mixed into all of that you have world-class museums, dense skyscrapers in downtown LA, a few walkable neighborhoods, a subway system, street vendors, and diversity that surpasses any area of New York, with the exception of Queens. On top of that you have nice beaches, numerous recreational areas within a very short distance, and nice year-round weather.
You mention that urbanites don't care about recreation - such as mountain, forests, and beaches. I guess that's why so many New Yorkers frequent Central Park , or flee to the Hamptons, Montauk, Riis and Jones beaches, the Jersey Shore, Martha's Vineyard, the Poconos, and Maine on a regular basis.
I still find it interesting that you, yourself, are a suburban resident, but you have appointed yourself as the spokesman for urbanism. I have lived in Brooklyn, and believe me, Scarsdale isn't on anyone's radar. You certainly don't speak for all New Yorkers. For me, the West coast is truly the best coast.
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