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Next time I go to LA, I'll know who I am. I'll own your city, hold my head high, stick my nose up. We are the largest city in the US, the Capital of the World, the Center of the Universe. We are America. We represent America.
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Next is now! Let's disect the small paragraph above, the very genesis of the NY attitude. Who are you? Nothing special, sorry. You'll own my city? That kind of behaviour has gotten many a NY'er a fat lip. Hold your head high. Why, do you feel threatened, or passed over? Stick your nose up. Well that again will earn you trouble, or at least a lot of laughter from the beach bunnies. You are the largest city in the U.S., for now. The Capital of the World! You're not even Capital of the 4th largest state! Center of the Universe. You know as much about the Universe as you know about those boiling water puddles you mentioned or the characteristics of people on the Best coast. We are America! And we aren't? We represent America. Now you're talking about New York, right? If that were true, then L. A. represents the World. Sorry, because of our diversity, you stepped into that one, again. You are almost always wrong, I never mentioned that L. A. was more important. Just more influential. FutureFuzz, please! Enough with the classic NY posturing. Used to find it cute, but now it's just sorry, and sad.. and lame. And whoever mentioned that filth was part of NY's charm, ya can't wrap a turd with a bow!
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And don't mention all the things that L. A. has to do because New York doesn't have what it takes to get the job done! NY is the pencil-pushingest town in the world, and because parent companies can be located there doesn't mean you hold the strings on the creativity. If you did, the actual work would be done there, not 3 thousand miles away. You broadcast our finished product and cash the checks from the advertisers who ruin our lives with their incessant interruptions. Los Angeles is the one that sets the tone, and you can't stand it! How do you type with your arms wrapped up that way?
Phoenix is growing because it can. Its surrounded by 1000 miles of desert. Its cheap flat land easily built upon. The city of Philadlephia is maxed out and its surrounding counties are covered with beautiful countryside that is by and large off limits to sprawl. The Philadlephia area grows at a steady 4 or 5 percent and thats they way they plan it. Philly had its Phoenix like growth back in 1810.
One of the big reasons the east coast will always be superior to the west coast. From Maine to Key West from Cape may Nj to Pittsburgh every inch of soil was meant to serve a purpose. The west coast admittedly has higher and better icons but 75% of the land is reminiscent of Pluto.For every 10 sq. miles of Lake Tahoe, theres 1000 sq. miles of Death Valley.A cruise through interior sections of Oregon Cal Wash could easily pass off as a lunar mission .We wont even get into huge swaths of Nevada + Zona. Good grief.
Heres why Phoenix can grow.
It's kinda hilarious that all of your Phoenix photos are aerials, while all but one of your Philly photos are ground photos. Of course, Philly's gonna look dense from the ground. I have been to Philadelphia more times than I can count, and there is plenty of room for suburban areas to expand. Travel on the Northeast Extension and you will see plenty of open countryside, as well as relatively new subdivisons. I'm aware that Phoenix does have MUCH more room to grow than Philadelphia, but just because there's more room doesn't mean there's gonna be more people. If so, why don't Austin or Charlotte have metro populations of 10 million+? Face it, people are moving to Phoenix because they find it a more attractive place to live than many other metro areas in the country. People are not moving because there's a lot of land. How much land does a household need?
The West Coast doesn't look like Pluto. We have extreme diversity in our landscape that the East can't meet. Personally, I find the landscape Back East to be dull and lackluster, but I understand that some people are attracted to that. I have no idea when you say every ounce of soil Back East was meant to serve a purpose. What in the world does that mean? I agree that interior Washington, Nevada, California, and Arizona can look dead at first, but that area is home to the most ecologically diverse desert in the entire world (Sonoran), Las Vegas, Area 51, as well as numerous other ecological habitats. I guess we'll also just erase the huge swaths of Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, and California that are covered in majestic snow-capped mountains.
Vital areas or not, they're STILL growing faster than Phoenix's metro.
ps: Apology accepted
Actually, none of the small areas that are growing faster than Phoenix are metro areas, they're all micropolitan areas (too small to be classified as metros).
Phoenix is the fastest growing METRO in the country.
It's kinda hilarious that all of your Phoenix photos are aerials, while all but one of your Philly photos are ground photos. Of course, Philly's gonna look dense from the ground. I have been to Philadelphia more times than I can count, and there is plenty of room for suburban areas to expand. Travel on the Northeast Extension and you will see plenty of open countryside, as well as relatively new subdivisons. I'm aware that Phoenix does have MUCH more room to grow than Philadelphia, but just because there's more room doesn't mean there's gonna be more people. If so, why don't Austin or Charlotte have metro populations of 10 million+? Face it, people are moving to Phoenix because they find it a more attractive place to live than many other metro areas in the country. People are not moving because there's a lot of land. How much land does a household need?
The West Coast doesn't look like Pluto. We have extreme diversity in our landscape that the East can't meet. Personally, I find the landscape Back East to be dull and lackluster, but I understand that some people are attracted to that. I have no idea when you say every ounce of soil Back East was meant to serve a purpose. What in the world does that mean? I agree that interior Washington, Nevada, California, and Arizona can look dead at first, but that area is home to the most ecologically diverse desert in the entire world (Sonoran), Las Vegas, Area 51, as well as numerous other ecological habitats. I guess we'll also just erase the huge swaths of Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, and California that are covered in majestic snow-capped mountains.
Lets try and keep it real here. The western US stereotype that the east coast is full of bombed out ghettoes^^ is absolutely ridiculous.Phoenix-LA have the same exact issues. That picture of the abandoned housing could be from Oakland,st Louis,Philadelphia or Chicago. The fact is that the west has this country and the entire globe teetering on fiancial calamity with its obscene foreclosure rates.
Here on the east coast we have a stable economy and sound regional planning. I don't know what they heck is going on out there in the west. You seem to want to live an east coast lifestyle without having the means or planning to do so. The midwest I can understand, they just fell on hard times but the west + southwest is just a disaster. You build houses for people supporting an economy. You don't build houses to create an economy.
Stockton, Detroit, Las Vegas Post Top Metro Foreclosure Rates According to RealtyTrac(R) 2007 Midyear MSA Report(TM)
California and Ohio Cities Account for 10 of Top 20 Metro Foreclosure Rates
Other cities with foreclosure filing totals among the 10 highest included Chicago, Detroit, Denver, Dallas, Las Vegas, Phoenix and Sacramento.
Foreclosure Activity for the Nation's 100 Largest MSAs - Jan to Jun 2007
Well; I am a Wash DC native and I vividly remember the burned out neighborhoods in that city from the 1960's riots in ca. 1977.
I have ridden through sections of of a city near NYC, cannot remember where, that too was a slum.
Bottom line; to me at least, a lot of the eastern US does look like 'ghetto'.
As for the foreclosures here; the housing market did appreciate way too rapidly.
Trust me: I have no sympathy for those folks who bought into the lie of endless appreciation.
It would certainly not hurt my feelings to see housing values plummet 40% (including core inflation) from their 2005 highs.
As for the 'East Coast' lifestyle--------the folks out East can have it-------I am West Coast at heart------even while still stuck in the DC area growing up in the 1960's-70's.
Well; I am a Wash DC native and I vividly remember the burned out neighborhoods in that city from the 1960's riots in ca. 1977.
I have ridden through sections of of a city near NYC, cannot remember where, that too was a slum.
Bottom line; to me at least, a lot of the eastern US does look like 'ghetto'.
Using Philadelphia as an example because that is what I am most familiar with.The metro area is 2800 sq. miles. Of that, and I'll err on the high side, 50 sq.miles would fit into the ghetto category(1.7%) DC-Bos-NYC are all wealthier than Philly metro- one could assume that their percentage of ghetto residences undoubtedly will be lower than 1.7%.
A Lot is a wrong description. Certainly not saying that the east coast is devoid of ghettoes, but I am saying the stereotype is a joke to the actual quality of life in 99% of the metro's of the east coast.
are u crazy? saying the west coast cannot compare to that beauty!! other than the city pics i seen better in San bernardino and thats a bad thing.
you have to take a trip to california. travel to santa Barbara and watch your jaw drop. hey how do u post pics on this site? i want to show some pics
Thats exactly what I am talking about. Santa Barbara is spectacular,Ive been there.Now, head 50-75-100 miles inland and you start to hit, lets call them dead spots of the globe.Its a tradeoff out west. You have real high highs but even more real low lows.
You go 200- 300-400 miles inland from the atlantic coast and its all beautiful.Every acre of land can be farmed,fished or mined. The east coast was meant to be lived upon. Phoenix wasn't meant to be lived upon, Barstow wasn't meant to be lived upon, Las Vegas wasn't meant to be lived upon unless you are scorpion, copperhead or vulture.
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I have been to Philadelphia more times than I can count, and there is plenty of room for suburban areas to expand. Travel on the Northeast Extension and you will see plenty of open countryside, as well as relatively new subdivisons. I'm aware that Phoenix does have MUCH more room to grow than Philadelphia, but just because there's more room doesn't mean there's gonna be more people. If so, why don't Austin or Charlotte have metro populations of 10 million+? Face it, people are moving to Phoenix because they find it a more attractive place to live than many other metro areas in the country. People are not moving because there's a lot of land. How much land does a household need?
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