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Old 11-21-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Never said or implied that it was unique to Chicago. The point was that simply dividing total CSA Population by Total Number of Transit users doesn't really prove anything.
It tells you what percentage of people in the MSA use transit. And that tells you how transit-oriented the metro is. It's straightforward.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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It tells you what percentage of people in the MSA use transit.
Agree.

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And that tells you how transit-oriented the metro is. It's straightforward.
Disagree.
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Old 11-21-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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It tells you what percentage of people in the MSA use transit. And that tells you how transit-oriented the metro is. It's straightforward.
Additionally, why are you using MSA instead of CSA?
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Additionally, why are you using MSA instead of CSA?
I think it's more relevant because people living within the MSA likely have stronger ties to the central city than someone living in the outer peripheries of the CSA. But you could use either metric in the case of DC and Chicago and the result probably wouldn't be too different.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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I think it's more relevant because people living within the MSA likely have stronger ties to the central city than someone living in the outer peripheries of the CSA. But you could use either metric in the case of DC and Chicago and the result probably wouldn't be too different.
Well MARC and Metro definitely get riders from the Baltimore MSA, so that entire population should be counted, right? The percentages wouldn't be much different for Chicago, but they would be significantly different for DC.

Also, Baltimore is closer to DC than Chicago is to Aurora, but one counts and the other doesn't? This adds to my point that Population/Transit Riders doesn't tell how transit oriented a city is.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Well MARC and Metro definitely get riders from the Baltimore MSA, so that entire population should be counted, right? The percentages wouldn't be much different for Chicago, but they would be significantly different for DC.
You could. Though DC would still probably come out ahead since there are fewer people in the Washington-Baltimore CSA than there are in the Chicago CSA.
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Old 11-21-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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You could. Though DC would still probably come out ahead since there are fewer people in the Washington-Baltimore CSA than there are in the Chicago CSA.
It would definitely come out ahead, but the gap would be much less. Once again, even if you add Baltimore MSA to the overall transit oriented-ness of the Washington Metro Area, to me it doesn't effect how transit oriented the region is, because I am looking at who travels into DC, who has reasonable access to the metro, who of those people USE the metro, etc....I use the same evaluation for Chicago.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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It would definitely come out ahead, but the gap would be much less. Once again, even if you add Baltimore MSA to the overall transit oriented-ness of the Washington Metro Area, to me it doesn't effect how transit oriented the region is, because I am looking at who travels into DC, who has reasonable access to the metro, who of those people USE the metro, etc....I use the same evaluation for Chicago.
If the percentage of people that use transit tells us little about the transit-orientedness of a metro area, then what do you think does?

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Also, Baltimore is closer to DC than Chicago is to Aurora, but one counts and the other doesn't?
Baltimore is closer by a whopping .2 miles.
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Greater Boston
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1. NYC
2. Chicago
3. Boston
4. DC
5. Philadelphia
6. San Francisco
7. Baltimore
8. Portland
9. Seattle
10. LA/ATL

after baltimore it's really a toss-up
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:43 PM
 
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1. NYC
2. Chicago
3. Boston
4. DC
5. Philadelphia
6. San Francisco
7. Baltimore
8. Portland
9. Seattle
10. LA/ATL

after baltimore it's really a toss-up
Seattle, Baltimore, and Portland over LA and ATL? okie dokie
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