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Old 12-16-2013, 01:37 PM
 
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You can't possibly think that was a reasonable argument, right?

Qualification's for urbanity:

#1 = Streetwall
#2 = Zero lot development
#3 = Parking in the back alley or no parking at all
#4 = Vegetation limited to bushes and street trees or small strips of grass between house and sidewalk
#5 = No or very little surface parking lots
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Can you explain why you can't do this in, say, the NYC area, Boston area or Philly area?

I could get on the Hudson Bergen light rail in Union City, which runs underground, and then take it wherever. I could do the same on the Newark City subway, which also runs underground, or anywhere on the PATH, which runs underground.

Or, in the Boston area, I could live in Cambridge or Somerville and take the Red Line, which runs underground.

Or, in the Philly area, I could live in South Jersey and take Patco, which runs underground.

I don't even see why the "underground" matters. The LIRR Babylon line is an elevated line all the way out to Babylon, 40 miles from Manhattan. What difference would it make if they buried it? It's already 100% grade separated.
Oh it matters! LOL. Your headways don't come close to the 2-4 minute Red/Orange Line headways at RH. You can't do it because you cannot compare Metro North to the DC Metro running from suburb to suburb. I've taken the MN and it doesn't run every 5 minutes.
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I'm confused! TOD places like Rosslyn, Bethesda, Ballston, Silver Spring, Clarendon, Pentagon City, Crystal City, etc., don't have any parking lots. The metro stations are the heart of the core. These places serve as a semi DT area with shops, restaurants, stores and more.
Metro - Rail - Maps - Rail/Google Map

Shady Grove, Rock Grove, Twin Brook, White Flint, Grosvenor, Glenmont, Wheaton, Forest Glen, Silver Spring, Vienna, Dunn Loring, West Falls Church, East Fall Church, Franconia Springfield, Van Dorn Street, Huntington, Branch Ave, Suitland, Naylor Road, Southern Ave, Anacostia, Largo Town Center, Morgan Blvd, Addison Road, Capitol Heights, New Carrolton, Landover, Cheverly, Deanwood, Minnesota Avenue, Rhode Island Avenue, Greenbelt, College Park, Prince George's Plaza, West Hyattsville, Fort Totten.

Those are the stops with parking. Those ones you named are basically the only outside-city limits stops without parking. And in most larger cities (LA, NYC, Chicago) they would be within city limits so not that impressive really.
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:41 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Qualification's for urbanity:

#1 = Streetwall
#2 = Zero lot development
#3 = Parking in the back alley or no parking at all
#4 = Vegetation limited to bushes and street trees or small strips of grass between house and sidewalk
#5 = No or very little surface parking lots
Don't you think it's kind of silly to post four random non-urban parts in order to disprove there are urban areas near LA? It's like taking some random cul-de-sacs or suburban subdivisions from the cities around DC as if that was proof that Tyson's Corner or Alexandria doesn't exist. It's a logical dead-end.

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Old 12-16-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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Qualification's for urbanity:

#1 = Streetwall
#2 = Zero lot development
#3 = Parking in the back alley or no parking at all
#4 = Vegetation limited to bushes and street trees or small strips of grass between house and sidewalk
#5 = No or very little surface parking lots
MDAllstar, none of these things are common in DC suburbs. They're actually extremely rare. Where in suburban DC is there no parking or consistent streetwall or no vegetation (not even sure if this is a good thing).

They're also not necessarily relevant for urbanity.
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:41 PM
 
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All those pics are significantly more urban than Bethesda or Wheaton, though. I would live in these areas before Wheaton if I wanted a walkable, transit-oriented lifestyle (though to be honest neither option is ideal).

The only streets in Bethesda that are urban are in downtown Bethesda. Everything else is like most of L.A., not urban.
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:43 PM
 
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Oh it matters! LOL. Your headways don't come close to the 2-4 minute Red/Orange Line headways at RH. You can't do it because you cannot compare Metro North to the DC Metro running from suburb to suburb. I've taken the MN and it doesn't run every 5 minutes.
And how does it matter? Can you explain this?

Why is it an advantage to have lower capacity with higher frequency?

If that's the case, we should compare buses, because buses have the lowest capacity and the highest frequency. According to you, buses should be the determining factor in relative urbanity?
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:44 PM
 
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The only streets in Bethesda that are urban are in downtown Bethesda. Everything else is like most of L.A., not urban.
Not at all true.

Very few streets in Bethesda are as urban as in LA. Most of Bethesda consists of large homes on large lots, often without sidewalks. It's actually quite rare in LA to have large lots and no sidewalks.
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Those pics look like Landover, MD. How is it more urban than DT Bethesda or DT Silver Spring?
Really? What parts of Landover look like those areas in South LA?

http://goo.gl/maps/RUUKf

http://goo.gl/maps/WiRW1
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Old 12-16-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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Metro - Rail - Maps - Rail/Google Map

Shady Grove, Rock Grove, Twin Brook, White Flint, Grosvenor, Glenmont, Wheaton, Forest Glen, Silver Spring, Vienna, Dunn Loring, West Falls Church, East Fall Church, Franconia Springfield, Van Dorn Street, Huntington, Branch Ave, Suitland, Naylor Road, Southern Ave, Anacostia, Largo Town Center, Morgan Blvd, Addison Road, Capitol Heights, New Carrolton, Landover, Cheverly, Deanwood, Minnesota Avenue, Rhode Island Avenue, Greenbelt, College Park, Prince George's Plaza, West Hyattsville, Fort Totten.

Those are the stops with parking. Those ones you named are basically the only outside-city limits stops without parking. And in most larger cities (LA, NYC, Chicago) they would be within city limits so not that impressive really.
And really all DC Metro stops have tons of parking. Your list is just those with Metro-owned parking lots.

If you go to Bethesda, for example, there is no official Metro parking lot, but there are tons of parking garages/lots and that's where everyone parks.
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