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Old 10-09-2012, 01:34 PM
 
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^ dc is in a class of its own, but the national mall area looks like a plantation. everything else besides east of the river is designed more like the northeast
but looks very european because of all the awkwardly angled roadways and circles. georgetown is more like aleaxandria.



some people like to bicker but i don't, so have your fun with that.

the north is cloudier and colder compared to the south.
You know DC, Baltimore, Philly and NYC have the same weather give or take 4 or 5 degrees. NYC is hot and humid in the summer like DC, Baltimore and Philly. It's not a noticeable difference.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:54 PM
 
Location: USA
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^ nyc is surrounded by bays, rivers and the ocean, so it is much more arctic and breezy; more in common with new england than the subtropical states. it stays warm longer in md and dc than philly and ny, more like va.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:40 PM
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Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
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Well for one, that poster is talking about vibrancy instead of built form. Obviously DC is more vibrant than Baltimore, but Baltimore is built very dense and urban. I think it's hard for people to separate built form with ammenities/vibrancy. It's the reason a single family housing neighborhood can have a higher walk score than a row house neighborhood. They aren't actually comparing building density. They are comparing the closeness of ammenities. So basically, if you live above a strip shopping center with a park, your neighborhood should have a high walk score. Doesn't make sense to me but whatever.
You'll have to re-explain how "vibrancy" and "urban" arent relatable. Part of being a city, being an URBAN city and/or metropolis, is about the vibrancy, its about movement, its about amenities, its about a multicultural experience. And to go back to a point you just made, about Baltimore being "very dense," DC is more dense than Baltimore! Are you kidding me?

I will concede that Baltimore has some beautiful rowhouses--but it also has some ****ty ones. And are we really basing Baltimore's urbanity on it having alot of rowhouses? Because everyone knows that Washington doesnt just have the same, but it also has much more diversified architecture besides rowhouses; that diversity alone is enough to make it more urban than Baltimore! And to kill another of your comments, the "closeness of amenities" is also a standard of which to measure a city's urban strengths...

To the guy who said I am a Baltimore hater--I will admit that I wasnt impressed. You can see and find and have the same FEEL in Memphis.But I dont hate Baltimore. I've just lucked up and managed to get caught in a cipher with a bunch of Baltimore stans...
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:51 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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^ nyc is surrounded by bays, rivers and the ocean, so it is much more arctic and breezy; more in common with new england than the subtropical states. it stays warm longer in md and dc than philly and ny, more like va.
Dude, all four cities are "sub-tropical." They all get the same storms, be it snow, rain, sleet, whatever. If it's hot in one city, it's probably hot in all 4 cities; If it's cold in one, it's probably cold in all 4.

Current Temps
NYC: 57F and Cloudy
Philly: 57F and cloudy
Baltimore: 59F Cloudy
DC: 59F Cloudy

You'll find bigger swings in temps between each city and its suburbs before you see a bigger difference between all for cities.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:59 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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You'll have to re-explain how "vibrancy" and "urban" arent relatable. Part of being a city, being an URBAN city and/or metropolis, is about the vibrancy, its about movement, its about amenities, its about a multicultural experience. And to go back to a point you just made, about Baltimore being "very dense," DC is more dense than Baltimore! Are you kidding me?

I will concede that Baltimore has some beautiful rowhouses--but it also has some ****ty ones. And are we really basing Baltimore's urbanity on it having alot of rowhouses? Because everyone knows that Washington doesnt just have the same, but it also has much more diversified architecture besides rowhouses; that diversity alone is enough to make it more urban than Baltimore! And to kill another of your comments, the "closeness of amenities" is also a standard of which to measure a city's urban strengths...

To the guy who said I am a Baltimore hater--I will admit that I wasnt impressed. You can see and find and have the same FEEL in Memphis.But I dont hate Baltimore. I've just lucked up and managed to get caught in a cipher with a bunch of Baltimore stans...
There are no Baltimore "Stans" here. How does Baltimore feel like Memphis? What parts of Baltimore did you go to??
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Shaw.
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^ nyc is surrounded by bays, rivers and the ocean, so it is much more arctic and breezy; more in common with new england than the subtropical states. it stays warm longer in md and dc than philly and ny, more like va.
Excuse how awful I formatted this.

Average highs:

New York... 39, 42, 51, 62, 72, 80, 85, 83, 76, 65 55, 44.| 63
Philadelphia 40, 44, 53, 64, 74, 83, 87, 85, 78, 67, 56, 45.| 65
Baltimore... 44, 47, 57, 68, 77, 86, 90, 88, 81, 70, 59, 49.| 68
Washington 44, 47, 56, 67, 76, 84, 89, 87, 80, 69, 58, 47.| 67
---------------------------------------------------------
NY to DC....+5, +5, +5, +5, +5, +4, +4, +4, +4, +4, +3, +3.|+4
Philly to DC.+4, +3, +3, +3, +2, +1, +2, +2, +2, +2, +3, +2.|+2

So, it's only a few degrees--especially between Philadelphia and DC.
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:44 AM
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Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
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There are no Baltimore "Stans" here. How does Baltimore feel like Memphis? What parts of Baltimore did you go to??
I was all though Downtown, and I enjoyed that area between Camden Yards and the Inner Harbor. I also was in West Baltimore...

West Baltimore looks and feels like South Memphis, what with the sloppy streets, crumbling facade and narrow alleyways. You see alot of people out and about--but it isnt an economically privileged area. I forget the name of the streets, but I was going directly westward from downtown. Memphis' streets are wider, though. And while Memphis doesnt have the Harbor, the narrowness of its downtown streets, and the collection of shops and many, many restaurants are very similar. Memphis may actually have more things to experience downtown, because unless I'm not attentive, downtown Baltimore was rather bland once you left the Harbor area, and thats going in any direction.

And I also should mention the similarities in demographics between Baltimore and Memphis; look em up. They are almost identical in income, education, disproportion in wealth, race, segregation of neighborhoods. There is actually alot of similarities between Baltimore and Memphis, dont get caught in this "it-cant-be-because-Memphis-is-southern/country" train of thought. Memphis has an industrial history, too.

Dont forget, I also said B-More reminds me of Syracuse, too---but I wont start on that lol...
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:20 AM
 
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^ man, ny is nothing like baltimore and dc.
an island city is different from an inland
city, whether the temperature is similar
or not. dc and md is much more humid
than ny. it's not even a question.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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You'll have to re-explain how "vibrancy" and "urban" arent relatable. Part of being a city, being an URBAN city and/or metropolis, is about the vibrancy, its about movement, its about amenities, its about a multicultural experience. And to go back to a point you just made, about Baltimore being "very dense," DC is more dense than Baltimore! Are you kidding me?

I will concede that Baltimore has some beautiful rowhouses--but it also has some ****ty ones. And are we really basing Baltimore's urbanity on it having alot of rowhouses? Because everyone knows that Washington doesnt just have the same, but it also has much more diversified architecture besides rowhouses; that diversity alone is enough to make it more urban than Baltimore! And to kill another of your comments, the "closeness of amenities" is also a standard of which to measure a city's urban strengths...

To the guy who said I am a Baltimore hater--I will admit that I wasnt impressed. You can see and find and have the same FEEL in Memphis.But I dont hate Baltimore. I've just lucked up and managed to get caught in a cipher with a bunch of Baltimore stans...

When did I say DC was not more vibrant, dense, or urban than Baltimore? DC is on a different level than Baltimore on urbanity and vibrancy and that is only increasing daily since DC is absolutely booming. I was pointing out that urban is based on built form. That means how close the buildings are to the street. How much open land is present? Lot size etc. I live in DC and I'm from DC. You are clearly new here. My point is, people have a false sense of what the built environment is compared to convenience. I will give you an example.


-What would fifty high-rises built on zero lot sizes squeezed into 10 blocks squared with no retail be? Are you really going to say that would not be urban?

-Now, take 100 single family homes built on small lots with corner stores, shopping, and everything you need. Which neighborhood is more urban?
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I was all though Downtown, and I enjoyed that area between Camden Yards and the Inner Harbor. I also was in West Baltimore...

West Baltimore looks and feels like South Memphis, what with the sloppy streets, crumbling facade and narrow alleyways. You see alot of people out and about--but it isnt an economically privileged area. I forget the name of the streets, but I was going directly westward from downtown. Memphis' streets are wider, though. And while Memphis doesnt have the Harbor, the narrowness of its downtown streets, and the collection of shops and many, many restaurants are very similar. Memphis may actually have more things to experience downtown, because unless I'm not attentive, downtown Baltimore was rather bland once you left the Harbor area, and thats going in any direction.

And I also should mention the similarities in demographics between Baltimore and Memphis; look em up. They are almost identical in income, education, disproportion in wealth, race, segregation of neighborhoods. There is actually alot of similarities between Baltimore and Memphis, dont get caught in this "it-cant-be-because-Memphis-is-southern/country" train of thought. Memphis has an industrial history, too.

Dont forget, I also said B-More reminds me of Syracuse, too---but I wont start on that lol...

Could you please point to the area's in Memphis that look anything like Baltimore? What is the density in Memphis anyway? Do they even have urban attached houses in Memphis? There is nothing urban about a detached single family home. Isn't Memphis spread out with very low density, virtually no public transit, no traffic, etc. etc. etc.
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