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could someone please explain how the NHSL provides coverage in the city? I've never seen more than two cars together on that line, at rush hour. Most times there is only one car. It goes from the end of the blue line thru suburbia. There are really only two subway lines covering the city.
As for the rapid transit line going up Roosevelt Blvd, where is the funding stream? When are the public meetings scheduled? What is the construction start date? Do people realize they have been talking about this for decades and it goes no where. It will never be built.
Might sound laughable but the Roosevelt Blvd plan is planned for 2035.
The NHSL doesn't provide coverage in the city. Yet, it is still considered a heavy rail line.
Might sound laughable but the Roosevelt Blvd plan is planned for 2035.
The NHSL doesn't provide coverage in the city. Yet, it is still considered a heavy rail line.
Lol so we are here talking about a planned subway line scheduled to be built 23 years from now? Not 10, not 15, not even 20 years. Please. So people in northeast Philly can expect the same same for the next 23 years. SEPTA stinks. They couldn't even get their act together on the new fare system, so we still have tokens. It really is a pathetic system when put up against Chicago, Boston, NYC or DC.
Lol so we are here talking about a planned subway line scheduled to be built 23 years from now? Not 10, not 15, not even 20 years. Please. So people in northeast Philly can expect the same same for the next 23 years. SEPTA stinks. They couldn't even get their act together on the new fare system, so we still have tokens. It really is a pathetic system when put up against Chicago, Boston, NYC or DC.
The New Fare system will be installed by 2015 , funding is in place , New Buses , Trolleys , and restored Trolley Routes are also funded...
The New Fare system will be installed by 2015 , funding is in place , New Buses , Trolleys , and restored Trolley Routes are also funded...
Yes, but look at how long this took. Other cities had this in place years ago. Ask yourself why is Philadelphia so slow on the uptake for just about every aspect of urban life? Why the horrible tax structure? Why no dedicated funding stream for SEPTA? Why do so many Wharton students leave as soon as they graduate? Compare the numbers to the Harvard Business School. It sometimes, in fact most times, is very frustrating living here. Progress moves along at a snails pace. A very parochial city.
Lol so we are here talking about a planned subway line scheduled to be built 23 years from now? Not 10, not 15, not even 20 years. Please. So people in northeast Philly can expect the same same for the next 23 years. SEPTA stinks. They couldn't even get their act together on the new fare system, so we still have tokens. It really is a pathetic system when put up against Chicago, Boston, NYC or DC.
Septa isn't a pathetic system at all. Read the title of this thread. It's Septa vs Mbta
Not Septa vs Mbta vs WMTA vs Cta.
You've been derailing this thread alot trying to compare Septa with cities that aren't even mentioned.
I compared Septa with Mbta because they are very similar.
Added 4 More Agencies ,2 in PA , 1 DE and 1 NH.....
Various systems of the Northeast in 2012 and 2030...includes Regional Rail , Subway / Metro , Light Rail , Streetcar and Bus rapid Transit , Regional Bus and Urban / Suburban Bus
Metropolitan Transportation Authority
System Size in 2012 : 2,282 miles
System size by 2030 : 3,580 miles
Stations in 2012 : 751
Stations in 2030 : 823
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 11.6 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 16.2 Million
New Jersey Transit / PATH / PATCO / Private Bus operators
System Size in 2012 : 1,390 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 1,720 miles
Stations in 2012 : 690
Stations by 2030 : 883
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.8 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.7 Million
Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority & Bus Operators in Eastern Massachusetts
System Size in 2012 : 1,193 miles
System Size in 2030 : 1,660 miles
Stations in 2012 : 270
Stations in 2030 : 349
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.7 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 3.7 Million
Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority
System size in 2012 : 567 miles
System size by 2030 : 720 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 280
Stations by 2030 : 370
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.6 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.2 Million
Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority & Northern Virginia Transit
System Size in 2012 : 195 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 428 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 108
Stations by 2030 : 297
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.5 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.4 Million
Maryland Transit Administration
System Size in 2012 : 232 Miles
System size by 2030 : 664 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 90
Stations by 2030 : 216
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 370,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 1.5 Million
CT Transit & CDOT Rail Operations
System Size in 2012 : 157.4 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 510 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 59
Stations by 2030 : 112
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 278,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 650,000
Northern Virgina Transit Agencies
System Size in 2012 : 101.5 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 160.8 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 44
Stations by 2030 : 100
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 183,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 580,200
Rhode Island Public Transit Authority
System Size in 2012 : 20 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 280 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 5
Stations by 2030 : 59
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 81,070
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 360,000
Delaware First State Rail & Bus
System Size in 2012 : 18 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 190 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 4
Stations by 2030 : 26
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 65,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 310,000+
New Hampshire (Capital Corridor) Bus & Future Rail Systems
System Size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 69 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 15
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 45,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 240,000+
BARTA (Reading) Transit
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 50 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 15
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 35,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 150,000+
Capital Area Transit System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 105 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 19
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 27,400
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 120,000+
Amtrak Northeastern Division
System Size in 2012 : 2970 miles
System Size by 2030 : 3650 miles
Stations in 2012 : 109
Stations by 2030 : 141
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 20,500
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 215,000
Total Daily Ridership in 2012 : 19.6 Million
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 36.8 Million
The thing about Septa is that though it is one of the top transit systems in the country, it is far from reaching it's full potential. Septa should have a much higher ridership for a city of its size. With as much rail options as Septa has, it should be blowing out every city in the country in terms of ridership except for Chicago and New York City. Septa could easily boost ridership numbers if it were able to extend commuter rail lines into places like West Chester, Reading and Allentown.
Septa is constantly trying to improve service for it's riders. It's sad that nobody wants to give credit to Septa for it's work.
I agree, extensions for lines should take place, but not for the commuter rail lines. The subway lines.
Septa is constantly trying to improve service for it's riders. It's sad that nobody wants to give credit to Septa for it's work.
I agree, extensions for lines should take place, but not for the commuter rail lines. The subway lines.
The Regional Rail lines need to be extended to areas that have neither train nor subway. Northeast Philly has some rail coverage. Newtown, Bucks County, for example, does not. It's also a heck of a lot cheaper (i.e. more realistic) to extend rail service than underground subway service. Quite frankly I support subway expansion as well, I don't simply support projects that directly affect me.
This is a pretty close call, gang.MBTA is the 5th largest transit agency in the country with 367 million annual passenger trips, Philadelphia is 6th with 348 million. Boston's metro area has about 4 million people (that's a core metro within a bigger region), Philly's has about 5 million (same thing). So per capita ridership in Boston is higher, but not hugely so. SEPTA has more passengers, MBTA has more passengers on the rail modes.
To m, MBTA does feel a little more pleasant. It also has a more extensive network of rapid transit lines radiating out from the city center, though SEPTA has the subway-surface (light rail) lines for West and Southwest Philly. Philadelphia has a better grid of in-city, mostly bus route. MBTA has been criticized by transit experts for neglecting its bus network.
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