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I said cities. One example is SeaTac, WA. Since the study went from 1980 to 2010 that means that the newest census data couldn't be used. As of the 2000 census SeaTac was 62.86% White. It was given a 90.7 diversity rating by the study and was the 15th ranked city.
Anyway, there is at least one MSA that is over 50% White. The Fayetteville, NC metro is 54.09% White. It was given a 75.4 diversity rating and is ranked and is the 15th ranked metro.
The study is using 2010 census data for the CURRENT diversity ranking. It wouldn't make sense to compile a rating based on a 30 year study since people move from one place to the other.
See where it says 2010? Not 1980-2010?
And regarding Fayetteville, I'll do the math for you using a simple probability formula which measures the chance that two members within a whole will be of different groups rather than entropy (index = 1 - [(sum of the square of the group proportion) + (sum of the square of the group proportion) + ....]) :
46.3% Non-Hispanic White (before critiquing the results, please learn how to read the raw data first)
35.3% Non-Hispanic Black
9.8% Hispanic
2.0% Asian
In Fayetteville, NC, there is a 65% chance that two people at random will be of different ethnicities.
Using the entropy logorithm, there is a 75% chance that a GROUP of 100 random people will contain people of at least 2 or more races. From the study itself
Quote:
This index gauges how uniformly members of a population are spread.
An E value of 0 signifies complete homogeneity or no diversity; all population members belong to a
single racial-ethnic group. An E of 100 indicates maximum heterogeneity: all groups represent equal
proportions of the population.
However, the pitfall, as the study noted, is that the composition of a place could be totally different but have different E scores
Quote:
Though useful, the entropy index neglects a community’s racial-ethnic structure, i.e., the specific
groups present. Taking structure into account becomes important when one realizes that, based on the
evenness criterion alone, a hypothetical place with equal numbers (thirds) of white, Asian, and Hispanic
residents would be considered identical to a place where Hispanics, blacks, and Native Americans each
constitute a third of the population. In short, the two places would have the same E scores despite very
different compositions. To overcome this limitation, we supplement E with pie charts, bar graphs, and a
‘majority rule’ typology (described in a later section) for summarizing the group percentages that underlie
its values.
Both from page 4 of the above link.
If a place was 50/50 of White and Black, for example, obviously the probability chance index will be at .5 or 50% that two individuals will be of different ethnicities, and a 50% chance that a group of 100 people within that group will contain people of two or more races.
The study is using 2010 census data for the CURRENT diversity ranking. It wouldn't make sense to compile a rating based on a 30 year study since people move from one place to the other.
See where it says 2010? Not 1980-2010?
And regarding Fayetteville, I'll do the math for you using a simple probability formula which measures the chance that two members within a whole will be of different groups rather than entropy (index = 1 - [(sum of the square of the group proportion) + (sum of the square of the group proportion) + ....]) :
46.3% Non-Hispanic White (before critiquing the results, please learn how to read the raw data first)
35.3% Non-Hispanic Black
9.8% Hispanic
2.0% Asian
In Fayetteville, NC, there is a 65% chance that two people at random will be of different ethnicities.
Using the entropy logorithm, there is a 75% chance that a GROUP of 100 random people will contain people of at least 2 or more races. From the study itself
However, the pitfall, as the study noted, is that the composition of a place could be totally different but have different E scores
Both from page 4 of the above link.
If a place was 50/50 of White and Black, for example, obviously the probability chance index will be at .5 or 50% that two individuals will be of different ethnicities, and a 50% chance that a group of 100 people within that group will contain people of two or more races.
I know that data from 2010 was used, but under the Summary in the first paragraph it says 1980-2010
My point was just that they don't seem to have a reliable ranking system. It seems that you at least partially agree.
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Originally Posted by sav858
How so? Which city gets a diversity ranking of over 90 while having over 50% of the population being one race.
I have gone over this. Besides, White ≠ non-Hispanic White.
I am not saying that these cities are not diverse, but just that they don't deserve the score given.
I have gone over this. Besides, White ≠ non-Hispanic White.
I am not saying that these cities are not diverse, but just that they don't deserve the score given.
No you haven't really at all. You said you don't think cities with over 50% of one race should be given a score of 90 or higher. That was your original statememt and as far as I can tell none have been given a score that high.
Yeah I realize white's can include Hispanics as well but what difference does that make here?
Even if Fayettville, NC is over 50% white and is ranked 15th, compared to other metro areas it is relatively diverse. And even if you don't care for this ranking what other studies offer something better?
No you haven't really at all. You said you don't think cities with over 50% of one race should be given a score of 90 or higher. That was your original statememt and as far as I can tell none have been given a score that high.
Yeah I realize white's can include Hispanics as well but what difference does that make here?
Even if Fayettville, NC is over 50% white and is ranked 15th, compared to other metro areas it is relatively diverse. And even if you don't care for this ranking what other studies offer something better?
Okay, well I'm done with you both. You both somehow take personal offense to everything and then get absurd and attack whatever poster you think slighted you. This isn't a new thing, it's not worth it.
Okay, well I'm done with you both. You both somehow take personal offense to everything and then get absurd and attack whatever poster you think slighted you. It's not worth it.
Umm no. I didn't take any offense or think you slighted me at all. I was just trying to understand what you were talking about. I think you made a claim that was incorrect and when that was pointed out you couldn't admit, except for the census part, you may have been wrong and misread the data or something then tried to save face.
well in reality i dont think most people care about diversity. i find it strange that some people wake up worrying every second about who is in their neighborhood.
truth of the matter is most people have their ways of life and as long as their doing it they could care less if diversity is involved or not.
for example i like to travel, meet women, and do some partying and love going to events, and shopping. Diversity doesn't really effect me just as long as im doing the stuff i like.
.........um I think if you are non-White (and by White I mean someone who appears to be roughly in the realm of Caucasian features) and considering a move (and especially if you have children) then the diversity factor matters a lot because it may give some indication of what people are used to and the degree of acceptance you may encounter. If you have brown kids going into an all white school district, do you really want them to be the guinea pigs to determine how tolerant/accepting/welcoming other kids and their families will be? And despite what anyone may say, it is human nature to distinguish people based on physical differences, of all kinds. Including skin color. It is what we do with it from there that distinguishes us either as ignorant or intelligent, ugly or decent human beings.
I'm thinking if someone has the luxury of choosing not to worry about diversity, then they probably look passably Caucasian.
Why is diversity always a regarded as a good thing? To be honest I feel like the word "diversity" has just recently came into modern dialogue to make white people feel better about having mixed neighbors. It seems more progressive to just disregard differences and move beyond them.
I would argue its more progressive to in fact REGARD differences, and then move beyond them. If everyone (regardless of appearance, background, etc.) can only be acceptable by being in every way "White" i.e. dominant society mainstream culture aside from their skin color, then people aren't being very accepting. Historically in this country that has been the requirement for every ethnic group in turn (and notably this includes all of the eastern european groups down to German and Irish) There should be room in our social circles for more than that. I mean, unless everyone is happy just eating McDonalds and shopping at Walmart or J. Crew and knowing only English. How boring.
I would argue its more progressive to in fact REGARD differences, and then move beyond them. If everyone (regardless of appearance, background, etc.) can only be acceptable by being in every way "White" i.e. dominant society mainstream culture aside from their skin color, then people aren't being very accepting. Historically in this country that has been the requirement for every ethnic group in turn (and notably this includes all of the eastern european groups down to German and Irish) There should be room in our social circles for more than that. I mean, unless everyone is happy just eating McDonalds and shopping at Walmart or J. Crew and knowing only English. How boring.
I don't really see anything wrong with that and I myself am of a foreign origin that speaks a different language. I think its perfectly fine to know just the most commonly accepted language. I know it gives the native English speaking countries an extra advantage over others but hey that's just how it works.
Don't get me wrong though I am by no means one those "ENGLISH IS THE #1 LANGUAGE IN THA WORLD!" type. If the most common accepted language was let's say Russian instead I would have no problem with it. Nobody should be burdened to learn a language they don't want to.
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