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Old 10-26-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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It seems like Chicago has the larger transit system compared to NJ Transit when not counting NYC. Though NJ Transit covers NJ Chicago's Metra and CTA lines could also cover NJ as well. The difference between both systems outside of the commuter realm is that NJ Transit has light rail along with only 4 PATH heavy rail lines while Chicago has more heavy rail. I haven't added up the ridership of both systems yet. The advantage that NJ has is population being next to NYC and Philly (Chicago metro could cover NJ if placed on top) but Chicago already has the largest number of (freight and passenger combined) rail tracks of any city in the country that could easily be used for more passenger line expansion that could even rival NYC. Chicago at one time had the largest transit system in the world during the 1930's. Right now NYC is number 1 in passenger rail while Chicago is 2nd. The question is do you think NJ Transit will ever catch up with Chicago's combined passenger rail hub system?

Chicago:

Total stations: 385 (Metra 240)(CTA 145)
Lines: 19 (Metra 11)(CTA 8)
Track Miles: 711 miles

NJ Transit:

Total stations: 222 (Rail 162)(Light Rail 60)
Lines: 14 (Rail 11)(Lightrail 3)
Track Miles: 536 miles
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:38 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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This is really Illinois vs New Jersey....

Various systems of the Northeast in 2012 and 2030...includes Regional Rail , Subway / Metro , Light Rail , Streetcar and Bus rapid Transit , Regional Bus and Urban / Suburban Bus

Metropolitan Transportation Authority
System Size in 2012 : 2,282 miles
System size by 2030 : 3,580 miles
Stations in 2012 : 751
Stations in 2030 : 823
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 11.6 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 16.2 Million


New Jersey Transit / PATH / PATCO / Private Bus operators
System Size in 2012 : 690 miles
System Size by 2030 : 1,507 miles
Stations in 2012 : 314
Stations by 2030 : 620
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.8 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.7 Million


Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority & Bus Operators in Eastern Massachusetts
System Size in 2012 : 640 miles
System Size in 2030 : 1,660 miles
Stations in 2012 : 270
Stations in 2030 : 349
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.7 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 3.7 Million


Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority
System size in 2012 : 567 miles
System size by 2030 : 720 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 280
Stations by 2030 : 370
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.6 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.2 Million

Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority & Northern Virginia Transit
System Size in 2012 : 195 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 428 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 108
Stations by 2030 : 297
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.5 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.4 Million


Maryland Transit Administration
System Size in 2012 : 232 Miles
System size by 2030 : 664 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 90
Stations by 2030 : 216
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 370,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 1.5 Million

CT Transit & CDOT Rail Operations
System Size in 2012 : 157.4 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 510 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 59
Stations by 2030 : 112
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 278,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 650,000


Northern Virgina Transit Agencies
System Size in 2012 : 101.5 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 160.8 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 44
Stations by 2030 : 100
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 183,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 580,200


Long Island Bus Agencies
System Size in 2012 : 0
System size by 2030 : 45 Miles (Bus Rapid Transit only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 25
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 170,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 247,000


Lower Hudson Valley Bus Agencies & Future Urban Rail
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 24 Miles (Light Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 35
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 130,400
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 380,000+


Capital Region Bus Agencies (Albany)
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 85.7
Stations in 2012 : 3
Stations by 2030 : 34
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 85,800
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 250,000+


Rhode Island Public Transit Authority
System Size in 2012 : 20 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 280 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 5
Stations by 2030 : 59
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 81,070
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 360,000


Delaware First State Rail & Bus
System Size in 2012 : 18 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 190 Miles (Regional Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 4
Stations by 2030 : 26
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 65,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 310,000+


Amtrak Northeastern Division
System Size in 2012 : 2970 miles
System Size by 2030 : 3650 miles
Stations in 2012 : 109
Stations by 2030 : 141
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 45,900
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 215,000


New Hampshire (Capital Corridor) Bus & Future Rail Systems
System Size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 113.7 Miles (Regional Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 15
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 45,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 240,000+


BARTA (Reading) Transit
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 50 Miles (Regional Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 15
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 35,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 150,000+


Capital Area Transit
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 105 Miles (Regional Rail Only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 19
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 27,400
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 120,000+


Total Daily Ridership in 2012 : 19.8 Million
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 36.8 Million
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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The question is do you think NJ Transit will ever catch up with Chicago's combined passenger rail hub system
It could have the potential if NJ transit ever makes a serious commitment to improving mass transit in Southern New Jersey. It's quite a shame for the state to have no passenger rail service available in its fastest growing county(Gloucester County) that is also within close proximity to one of the top 5 largest cities in the country. smh.

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Old 10-27-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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This is really Illinois vs New Jersey....

Various systems of the Northeast in 2012 and 2030...includes Regional Rail , Subway / Metro , Light Rail , Streetcar and Bus rapid Transit , Regional Bus and Urban / Suburban Bus

Metropolitan Transportation Authority
System Size in 2012 : 2,282 miles
System size by 2030 : 3,580 miles
Stations in 2012 : 751
Stations in 2030 : 823
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 11.6 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 16.2 Million


New Jersey Transit / PATH / PATCO / Private Bus operators
System Size in 2012 : 690 miles
System Size by 2030 : 1,507 miles
Stations in 2012 : 314
Stations by 2030 : 620
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.8 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.7 Million


Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority & Bus Operators in Eastern Massachusetts
System Size in 2012 : 640 miles
System Size in 2030 : 1,660 miles
Stations in 2012 : 270
Stations in 2030 : 349
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.7 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 3.7 Million


Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority
System size in 2012 : 567 miles
System size by 2030 : 720 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 280
Stations by 2030 : 370
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.6 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.2 Million

Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority & Northern Virginia Transit
System Size in 2012 : 195 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 428 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 108
Stations by 2030 : 297
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 1.5 Million
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 4.4 Million


Maryland Transit Administration
System Size in 2012 : 232 Miles
System size by 2030 : 664 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 90
Stations by 2030 : 216
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 370,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 1.5 Million

CT Transit & CDOT Rail Operations
System Size in 2012 : 157.4 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 510 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 59
Stations by 2030 : 112
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 278,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 650,000


Northern Virgina Transit Agencies
System Size in 2012 : 101.5 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 160.8 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 44
Stations by 2030 : 100
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 183,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 580,200


Long Island Bus Agencies
System Size in 2012 : 0
System size by 2030 : 45 Miles (Bus Rapid Transit only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 25
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 170,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 247,000


Lower Hudson Valley Bus Agencies & Future Urban Rail
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 24 Miles (Light Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 35
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 130,400
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 380,000+


Capital Region Bus Agencies (Albany)
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 85.7
Stations in 2012 : 3
Stations by 2030 : 34
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 85,800
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 250,000+


Rhode Island Public Transit Authority
System Size in 2012 : 20 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 280 Miles
Stations in 2012 : 5
Stations by 2030 : 59
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 81,070
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 360,000


Delaware First State Rail & Bus
System Size in 2012 : 18 Miles
System Size by 2030 : 190 Miles (Regional Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 4
Stations by 2030 : 26
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 65,000
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 310,000+


Amtrak Northeastern Division
System Size in 2012 : 2970 miles
System Size by 2030 : 3650 miles
Stations in 2012 : 109
Stations by 2030 : 141
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 45,900
Projected Ridership by 2030 : 215,000


New Hampshire (Capital Corridor) Bus & Future Rail Systems
System Size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 113.7 Miles (Regional Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 15
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 45,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 240,000+


BARTA (Reading) Transit
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 50 Miles (Regional Rail only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 15
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 35,600
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 150,000+


Capital Area Transit
System size in 2012 : 0
System Size by 2030 : 105 Miles (Regional Rail Only)
Stations in 2012 : 0
Stations by 2030 : 19
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 27,400
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 120,000+


Total Daily Ridership in 2012 : 19.8 Million
Projected Daily Ridership by 2030 : 36.8 Million
Interesting, do you also have Chicago's projection?
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:37 PM
 
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It could have the potential if NJ transit ever makes a serious commitment to improving mass transit in Southern New Jersey. It's quite a shame for the state to have no passenger rail service available in its fastest growing county(Gloucester County) that is also within close proximity to one of the top 5 largest cities in the country. smh.
There is a line from Philly to Atlantic City. Wouldn't that be enough? Not sure how the ridership for that line compares to say NJ Transit's Northeast Corridor line. I was on the Northeast Corridor line between NYPenn and and New Brunswick just last week it is pretty busy especially during rush where you have to stand due to lack of seating. Does the Atlantic City line get that kind of traffic like Northern NJ?
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Old 10-27-2012, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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There is a line from Philly to Atlantic City. Wouldn't that be enough?
lol. You sound just like those NJ politicians from upstate. Half of them could care less whether South Jersey gets any funding at all.
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Not sure how the ridership for that line compares to say NJ Transit's Northeast Corridor line. I was on the Northeast Corridor line between NYPenn and and New Brunswick just last week it is pretty busy especially during rush where you have to stand due to lack of seating. Does the Atlantic City line get that kind of traffic like Northern NJ?
Why are you comparing the Atlantic City line against the one of the busiest and arguably most important commuter rail line in the entire country. Not to mention the Northeast Corridor line connects the New York area with the Philadelphia area. Of course the Atlantic City line isn't going to rival ridership numbers of the NEC line.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:11 PM
 
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lol. You sound just like those NJ politicians from upstate. Half of them could care less whether South Jersey gets any funding at all.

Why are you comparing the Atlantic City line against the one of the busiest and arguably most important commuter rail line in the entire country. Not to mention the Northeast Corridor line connects the New York area with the Philadelphia area. Of course the Atlantic City line isn't going to rival ridership numbers of the NEC line.
If I were a NJ politician I would agree that NNJ should get more because NYC is more important than Philly.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:25 PM
 
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If I were a NJ politician I would agree that NNJ should get more because NYC is more important than Philly.
Gov. Christie is that you?
By the way, your doing a great job at protecting our state from the upcoming "Hurricane Sandy". Keep up the good work Governor.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:38 PM
 
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Gov. Christie is that you?
By the way, your doing a great job at protecting are state from the upcoming Hurricane Sandy. Keep up the good work Governor

What does Governor Christie think about NJ Transit. Does it get his full support? It pays to being nice to you're neighbors when you really need help (food, water etc.). I know personally since Hurricane Andrew.

btw, I will be heading that way tomorrow from Indy (due to my job) how bad is it over there?? This sucks
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Old 10-28-2012, 08:14 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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What does Governor Christie think about NJ Transit. Does it get his full support? It pays to being nice to you're neighbors when you really need help (food, water etc.). I know personally since Hurricane Andrew.

btw, I will be heading that way tomorrow from Indy (due to my job) how bad is it over there?? This sucks
He cut it and but next year it will be restored and then some...
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