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Old 10-27-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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Which projects were worse? I know in their heyday New York City was worse. Really from the 1970s up until Giuliani took over New York City was like dodge city. It looked as if a bomb hit it. I've been to both cities during bad times and in its heyday New York is defintiley more dangerous. It's the opposite today because Chicago is a lot worse than New York City. Still not as bad as New York City during its down years but still bad. If we're talking about which cities projects are more dangerous then it's more complicated. New York City had a lot of projects with a lot of people living in them. While Chicago has, or had, very little projects but they were huge and everyone was on top of each other and scrunched up all in the projects. Which was a main factor in there being such a heavy amount of crime within Chicagos projects. That shows you that there is a lot more poverty in New York City than Chicago. The reason why I said "had", 2 sentences ago is because some of Chicagos projects have been torn down. In their heyday idk which cities projects were more dangerous because I wasn't in them. But I do know that if New York had very little projects with big buildings such as Chicago, then it would've been Chicagos projects to the second power because of the population and poverty of NYC. But I'd go with Chicago because of the crime within the projects themselves. In their heyday of crime NYC was without a doubt more dangerous but comparing projects, Chicago is probably more dangerous. Again, I'm not very qualified to judge which projects were more dangerous but I am for judging which city was considering I've been to both and loved through NYC during the dark days. I do know that edenwald projects in bronx, New York was very wild.
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:47 PM
 
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New Yorkers don't care about Chicago projects.

Why should we?

NYers don't think about OTHER cities.

OTHER cities think about US.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:13 PM
 
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Chicago has always been more dangerous than New York. Cabrini-Green is its heyday is worse than every single project in NYC. They use to have night long shootouts on New Year's day, they use to turn vacant apartments into hideouts for drug dealers, there would be snipers on the roofs. Have you heard about Girl X?

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Old 10-27-2012, 08:53 PM
 
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Chicago has always been more dangerous than New York. Cabrini-Green is its heyday is worse than every single project in NYC. They use to have night long shootouts on New Year's day, they use to turn vacant apartments into hideouts for drug dealers, there would be snipers on the roofs. Have you heard about Girl X?
Yes I have. That was terrible. And I disagree about Chicago being worse as an overall city in its heyday compared to NYC heyday. It was really bad. Projects I guess I agree with you that chicagos is worse. But remember my theory about if NYC projects were like chicagos(very little project developments but very big buildings), it would've been a lot worse than chicagos. For the most part I agree with you though.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:55 PM
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Which projects were worse? I know in their heyday New York City was worse. Really from the 1970s up until Giuliani took over New York City was like dodge city. It looked as if a bomb hit it.
Chicago's peak murder rate (34/ 100k) was slightly higher than NYC's peak (31/ 100k) dunno how other crime rates compared.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:10 PM
 
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Chicago's peak murder rate (34/ 100k) was slightly higher than NYC's peak (31/ 100k) dunno how other crime rates compared.
You can never really go by those because there's too many murders that go unreported. But I've been to both, and NYC up until Giuliani got there was really worse than Chicago definitely.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:17 PM
 
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New York City up until Giuliani got there was considered unruly and nobody thought it could be governed. That's why what Giuliani did was so remarkable. Chicago was never really as unruly and dangerous as NYC was when NYC was in its heyday. Obviously chi was in the projects no doubt. But considering the whole city, NYC was what St. Louis and Detroit are today back then. Maybe worse.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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The projects are more spread out in NYC while chicagos were huge and everyone was scrunched up on each other which is why there was so much trouble in chicagos projects. Chicago just hasn't had someone like Giuliani to take care of them and be aggressive in cleaning up the scum, gangs and what not. If they did then they wouldn't have the problems they do today and would be up there with NYC as one of the safest big cities in America. But it's not because of the poor governing of Chicago and Illinois.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:31 PM
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The projects are more spread out in NYC while chicagos were huge and everyone was scrunched up on each other which is why there was so much trouble in chicagos projects.
Cabrini Green at its peak had 15,000 people.

Add up the population on the line of projects along the East River to the north of the Williamsburg Bridge (Baruch + Wald + Riis I & II), gives a number of 14,100 people today. All in a line, one continuous strip of projects, likely in a smaller area than Cabrini Green.

In some cases, they were more similar than you'd think.

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Old 10-27-2012, 09:37 PM
 
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If you're interested in reading more about Chicago's projects and the history leading to their demise, I'd recommend '"Blueprint for Disaster," as well as "There Are No Children Here." Concentrated poverty was just one of many issues that contributed to crime, in both cities; housing policy, residential segregation, structural design, limited funding for maintenance, etc. collectively played a large role as well.

Comparing the two cities is complicated, and I'm not sure the benefit of attempting to discern which was/is 'worse'; bottom line, both have had their fair share of issues, some specific buildings worse than others.

Today, NYCHA still owns/manages approximately 160k public housing units, CHA about 20K.

HOPE VI demolished a series of high-rise towers and low-rise developments in Chicago, beginning in the late 90s through up until recently (saw the last Cabrini-Green tower right before it was taken down, unreal)--Chicago ended up demolishing 79 towers, Baltimore, my present turf, 21.

NY has yet to demolish a tower, however, there was plans to redevelop Prospect Plaza, but, that's stalled...

Also, agree with Nei; you should probably do a bit more reading and research. Public housing is governed by local public housing authorities, and overseen by HUD.

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