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10-31-2007, 11:25 PM
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Suburban enthusiast
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Phoenix/Tucson
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Originally Posted by mpope409
I fail to see how Phoenix has the upper hand over Houston in any way.
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Let's see. Phoenix is growing faster, has a much lower natural disaster risk, has a much more diverse economy, a much lower crime rate, skinnier people (less of a burden on the health care system)... the list doesn't end.
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Originally Posted by mpope409
And you know this because....
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Common knowledge and the same way you figure you know so much about Phoenix, while you have never been there?
Never been, never will. Thousands of people will cosign that. What the hell is in Phoenix?
Oh, I don't know. The largest city park in the United States (South Mountain Municipal Park)? The Phoenix Art Museum? The Heard Museum? Chase Field? Numerous hiking activities? The Phoenix Zoo? Just to name a few. At least I have been to Houston. It's one thing for me to make claims about Houston having been there, and another for you to make claims about Phoenix having never been here.
There's a reason that Phoenix is growing at a faster rate than Houston. Both cities have pleasant winters. Both cities have horrendous summers. Why don't you ask the hundreds of thousands of people moving to the Valley every year why the didn't choose Houston.
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Originally Posted by mpope409
Houston is actually one of the most visited cities in the country. Get it straight
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Okay, I'll give that to you. That's due primarily because to conventions. Again, if you want to count employers who force their employees to go to conventions in Houston as visitors, go ahead.
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Originally Posted by mpope409
Where are you getting this from? Where's your statistics? Your sources? Do you even know what you're talking about? Seriously, you're fighting a battle you just can't win, dude.
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I am not in a battle. Maybe you are. But, I am not. Hurricane Rita showed us just how fragile Houston is. If Rita had hit you would not be make any of the claims about Houston that you are now. Houston's population would likely be half of what it is, like New Orleans, while struggling to put the pieces back in order. Yes, one major hurricane, one major decline in U.S. oil production, and Houston's toast.
I actually noticed that you fail to account Houston's large population growth this decade as the result of the hundreds of thousands of evacuees of New Orleans who have settled in Houston. All the while, Phoenix experiences no such surge in population, but still closes in on Houston.
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Originally Posted by mpope409
In fact, can we please get back to the original discussion at hand? I just stooped down a thousand levels to dignify this man's arguments.
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We are actually still on the original discussion. You're convinced that Houston will overtake Chicago in population. I am not. I stated the reasons why that would not happen, you decided to argue. You don't want to believe that Phoenix is a contender in surpassing Houston, and eventually surpassing Chicago, because we don't have tall buildings, and becuase you claim not a single person in this country knows anything about Phoenix.
Ignorance does not get you anywhere. You're really just looking foolish in the process.
I thought Houstonians were made of teflon? Looks like otherwise.
Let's hope for your sake that Houston's population exceeds Chicago. It's obvious you need something to stroke your ego.
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11-01-2007, 06:25 AM
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Not a member
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Texas
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11-01-2007, 09:06 AM
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Senior Member
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In God
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Originally Posted by miamiman
We are actually still on the original discussion. You're convinced that Houston will overtake Chicago in population. I am not. I stated the reasons why that would not happen, you decided to argue. You don't want to believe that Phoenix is a contender in surpassing Houston, and eventually surpassing Chicago, because we don't have tall buildings, and becuase you claim not a single person in this country knows anything about Phoenix.
Ignorance does not get you anywhere. You're really just looking foolish in the process.
I thought Houstonians were made of teflon? Looks like otherwise.
Let's hope for your sake that Houston's population exceeds Chicago. It's obvious you need something to stroke your ego.
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Like I said, you're in an argument that you are losing. When you still have not convinced anyone why Phoenix deserves more credit than Houston. NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU. Look around. Nobody likes Phoenix. Even the Phoenix forum moderator doesn't even like it.
You think you're presenting persuading facts, when all you're doing is throwing a temper tantrum because you can't get respect for your city. It's obvious you're here to start trouble, and I'm not going to help you do it.
Find Phoenix on this list for me:
Global city - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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11-01-2007, 09:38 AM
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Rangers FC supporter
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Western Chicagoland
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Originally Posted by miamiman
Let's see. Phoenix is growing faster, has a much lower natural disaster risk, has a much more diverse economy, a much lower crime rate, skinnier people (less of a burden on the health care system)... the list doesn't end.
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PHX has a more diverse economy than Houston? HA!! Sure it also has a lower natural disaster risk, but PHX also has the worst weather in the USA, massive and nasty dust storms and destructive winds from monsoons and devastating fires. And PHXs crime rate, while lower than Houstons, is far from being good. Crime is out of control in many areas of PHX, so in that aspect its no different than Houston. Not too long ago PHX was also the car theft capital of the nation.  As for skinnier people? Are you kidding me? Im down in Scottsdale several times a year, and it never fails to amaze me how many plumpers live there, especially in a ritzy place like Scottsdale.  And if anyone is skinny down there, its because all you do is sweat down there, while that horrible sun sucks the moisture right out of you.  Give it a rest, Houston is FAR more diverse and powerful than Phoenix ever will be. And you know that, so why argue?
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11-01-2007, 10:11 AM
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Senior Member
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: ITP
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Impressive photos. It looks like Houston and Atlanta share some of the same builders. The company that built the metal lofts that you see in the photos also has a couple of projects here.
I was also really surprised by the density of some of the urban areas in those photos.
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11-01-2007, 10:54 AM
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Not a member
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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Originally Posted by lategreattex
The reason Houston has passed Chicago as the sweatiest and fattest, (they left out butt-ugly), is because it's become overpopuated with people FROM Chicago and other parts of the midwest, just like Dallas has and unfortunately the rest of Texas if somebody doesn't put up a big ol fence on the Northern border instead of the Mexican border. No longer are you comparing Texans to Midwesterners...because they are all moving here. That is why Texas is now the most unfriendly state, the least romantic state, one of the fattest states, worst traffic, one of the top polluted states, highest crime states....you name it anything bad that Texas can be listed for is due to TRANSPLANTS!!!
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Thats because they moved all the jobs south to Texas. Non-union states get ALL the jobs...
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11-01-2007, 12:24 PM
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bleh
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Live in VA, Work in MD, Play in DC
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Originally Posted by mpope409
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I really do not think that Wikipedia should ever be used as a reference. Someone can just go on to it and edit Phoenix into the list and just as easily refute your arguement.
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11-01-2007, 12:55 PM
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Real Estate Agent
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Greater Houston
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Originally Posted by miamiman
Let's see. Phoenix is growing faster, has a much lower natural disaster risk, has a much more diverse economy, a much lower crime rate, skinnier people (less of a burden on the health care system)... the list doesn't end.
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What's the talk about the Colorado River going dry? Lake Mead is falling. Phoenix, Las Vegas, L.A., and S.F. may not last that long.
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Originally Posted by Steve-o
And if anyone is skinny down there, its because all you do is sweat down there, while that horrible sun sucks the moisture right out of you.  Give it a rest, Houston is FAR more diverse and powerful than Phoenix ever will be. And you know that, so why argue?
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Don't forget the skin cancer. Remember John McCain's face? This guy has a history of skin cancer.
The weather is horrible there. Isn't that why most people in the West prefer to live next door, in L.A.? It has a cold-current coastline, something Phoenix doesn't have, which significantly moderates the temperatures.
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Originally Posted by tenken627
I really do not think that Wikipedia should ever be used as a reference. Someone can just go on to it and edit Phoenix into the list and just as easily refute your arguement.
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Would you prefer to go to the GaWC website? It's the same information that's conveniently loaded into Wikipedia for quick reference.
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11-01-2007, 01:00 PM
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Rangers FC supporter
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Western Chicagoland
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Originally Posted by KerrTown
The weather is horrible there. Isn't that why most people in the West prefer to live next door, in L.A.?
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I know, Ive been to AZ many, many, many times, even during the summer. This June it was 110 on average, with several days at 115 and above.  Everytime I hear someone say "Phoenix has beautiful weather", I feel like laughing in their face and slappin some sense into them. While winters are mild, the other 6 months are H-E-L-L. Noone ever mentions that though... 
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11-01-2007, 01:01 PM
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bleh
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Live in VA, Work in MD, Play in DC
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Originally Posted by KerrTown
Would you prefer to go to the GaWC website? It's the same information that's conveniently loaded into Wikipedia for quick reference.
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Wikipedia cites GaWC as a reference and has a link to the GaWC website. Most well written Wikipedia articles do have links to their references. Links to the website or article would be better to strengthen your case than links to Wikipedia, don't you think?
If you get something off Wikipedia, just find the external reference for it, and link it to that.
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