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Sorry Chicago, I didn't mean to bring you down to Houston's level, but that's how they wanna play.
Who is this 'they' exactly, and with this post, you're on the same level as jlkuke.
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Originally Posted by jluke65780
MY opinion was Texas is the greatest state ever. Houston is arguably on the same level as LA and CHI when it comes to important.
How is Houston on the same level with LA and Chi though? You can't just say NASA, Medical, and Oil. You can at least so how those things propel Houston to LA and Chi's level in your opinion. I'm not seeing it, because those cities have all that, and more (well, Chicago doesn't have NASA or Oil, but other things in the place of that).
MY opinion was Texas is the greatest state ever. Houston is arguably on the same level as LA and CHI when it comes to important.
Post your reasons. Justify why Houston should be on that level. Because YOU are the only one that believes that Houston is on the level of Chicago and Los Angeles. Give us reasons why you believe this. You have three Houstonians disagreeing with you on this one. So I'd like to hear your take on why you believe this.
A lot of people on this thread seem to believe that Houston will be larger than the city of Chicago by 2020, I was wondering where people were getting all these numbers to prove that Houston would be larger, but no one seemed to have a link.
So I found one by myself.
Here are the populations for the cities in 2006, and 2025:
The gap is closing, but I think Chicago will always be ahead, or they may constantly switch as the third and fourth largest cities. But I'm not sure if Chicago will stay that low as there is talk of annexing some of cook county to help pick up the massive debt the cities in, but nearly every city in the country is in massive debt these days.
Also, I'd like to point out that Chicago is the only city in the country that will the census predicts will have a gain, after a loss. Every other city that's been declining in population will continue to do so except Chicago.
A lot of people on this thread seem to believe that Houston will be larger than the city of Chicago by 2020, I was wondering where people were getting all these numbers to prove that Houston would be larger, but no one seemed to have a link.
So I found one by myself.
Here are the populations for the cities in 2006, and 2025:
The gap is closing, but I think Chicago will always be ahead, or they may constantly switch as the third and fourth largest cities. But I'm not sure if Chicago will stay that low as there is talk of annexing some of cook county to help pick up the massive debt the cities in, but nearly every city in the country is in massive debt these days.
Also, I'd like to point out that Chicago is the only city in the country that will the census predicts will have a gain, after a loss. Every other city that's been declining in population will continue to do so except Chicago.
The population estimates for 2025 are garbage. They simply extrapolate current rates of growth out through 2025.
Right. Chicago is noted as the fastest growing city in human history. Going from a swampy bog to a city of over 1 million people in only a few decades. In less than 100 years it went from absoltely nothing to the 5th largest city on earth.
Everything changes with time. If we kept that same growth rate from the 1900's we'd be projected to have tens and tens of millions of people by today.
It's not like cities that are growing by 20% every 10 years are going to keep doing that for decades to come. It's all about economics. Sometimes you're hot, sometimes you're not. Some cities have a quick break and then fade into history, some are hot their entire lives. Overall though it's nearly impossible to forecast out beyond 10 years.
In the 1950's the northern industrial cities were the cities of the future. Suddenly industry moved overseas and the last thing anyone imagined happend - they faded from glory.
Who's to say oil won't skyrocket and suddenly the most undesirable places are those with urban sprawl and no possibility for smart transit and density. I'm certainly not saying it will happen, but logically suburbs and sprawling cities could easily become slums faster than anyone can realize.
If that were the case, Dallas/Fort Worth would cease to exist.
Anyway, if Chicago can some how manage to annex more of cook county (not going to happen), it would once again become the second largest city in the country with a population of around 7,000,000.
I was reading something that said Chicago has the potential to house over 5,500,000 residents, and that would be its maximum density. With the cost of parking going up, that seems unlikely.
But I do think that since the city is trying really hard to get the middle class back in, by bettering public school, lowering the crime rate, Chicago will start to take off again and I think it will be a lot harder for it to fall this time.
White families are actually increasing in numbers in Chicago, when for the past fourty years, their numbers have been declining.
Anyway, if Chicago can get back up to the 3,000,000 and continue its growth for a decade, I don't think it will ever drop lower than that again.
Chicago is and always will be America's true Second City, no doubt.
As hard as Houston or L.A may try, they just wont ever match it, ever.
If that were the case, Dallas/Fort Worth would cease to exist.
Anyway, if Chicago can some how manage to annex more of cook county (not going to happen), it would once again become the second largest city in the country with a population of around 7,000,000.
I was reading something that said Chicago has the potential to house over 5,500,000 residents, and that would be its maximum density. With the cost of parking going up, that seems unlikely.
But I do think that since the city is trying really hard to get the middle class back in, by bettering public school, lowering the crime rate, Chicago will start to take off again and I think it will be a lot harder for it to fall this time.
White families are actually increasing in numbers in Chicago, when for the past fourty years, their numbers have been declining.
Anyway, if Chicago can get back up to the 3,000,000 and continue its growth for a decade, I don't think it will ever drop lower than that again.
Chicago is and always will be America's true Second City, no doubt.
As hard as Houston or L.A may try, they just wont ever match it, ever.
Houston may never be better than Chicago but L.A. has always been better than Chicago and will always be better than Chicago.
If that were the case, Dallas/Fort Worth would cease to exist.
Anyway, if Chicago can some how manage to annex more of cook county (not going to happen), it would once again become the second largest city in the country with a population of around 7,000,000.
I was reading something that said Chicago has the potential to house over 5,500,000 residents, and that would be its maximum density. With the cost of parking going up, that seems unlikely.
But I do think that since the city is trying really hard to get the middle class back in, by bettering public school, lowering the crime rate, Chicago will start to take off again and I think it will be a lot harder for it to fall this time.
White families are actually increasing in numbers in Chicago, when for the past fourty years, their numbers have been declining.
Anyway, if Chicago can get back up to the 3,000,000 and continue its growth for a decade, I don't think it will ever drop lower than that again.
Chicago is and always will be America's true Second City, no doubt.
As hard as Houston or L.A may try, they just wont ever match it, ever.
LA already matches Chicago (easily) and in many ways, has surpasses Chicago (in GDP for example). You should stop with your fantasies on Chicago annexing Cook County, because that's not going to happen. You're not going to get other cities to want to become part of Chicago. Also, Chicago, though growing, is barely growing. I highly doubt it goes to max density anytime soon either, and imagine if Houston would grow to max density, or LA. They can fit much more people in their city limits than Chicago. Though again, none of this will ever happen.
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Originally Posted by Chicago60614
Right. Chicago is noted as the fastest growing city in human history. Going from a swampy bog to a city of over 1 million people in only a few decades. In less than 100 years it went from absoltely nothing to the 5th largest city on earth.
Everything changes with time. If we kept that same growth rate from the 1900's we'd be projected to have tens and tens of millions of people by today.
It's not like cities that are growing by 20% every 10 years are going to keep doing that for decades to come. It's all about economics. Sometimes you're hot, sometimes you're not. Some cities have a quick break and then fade into history, some are hot their entire lives. Overall though it's nearly impossible to forecast out beyond 10 years.
In the 1950's the northern industrial cities were the cities of the future. Suddenly industry moved overseas and the last thing anyone imagined happend - they faded from glory.
Who's to say oil won't skyrocket and suddenly the most undesirable places are those with urban sprawl and no possibility for smart transit and density. I'm certainly not saying it will happen, but logically suburbs and sprawling cities could easily become slums faster than anyone can realize.
You don't think the Chicago Fire contributed to the growth spurt in Chicago at the time?
You don't think the Chicago Fire contributed to the growth spurt in Chicago at the time?
The city experienced a slight growth slowdown after the fire, but it had rebounded back within 10-15 years. The population during the fire period was only 10% of its population 80 years later, and the fire destroyed mainly the downtown area, and not the other 75% of the city. It didn't really have a huge impact on the growth of the city, just the health. They were able to re-tool and change a lot of things when they rebuilt the heart of the city that made it more progressive and clean/efficient.
I also agree that Chicago will NEVER merge with Cook County. That isn't even being talked about by anyone. I also would never see Chicago city getting up to 5.5 million people. The max was 3.6 million, and that has been reduced to around 2.9 million because of the drop in density around the country since the 1950's. Many family's move to the edge of urban areas (suburbs), and you don't have 10 people crowded into apartments like you use to see. I think 3.2 is the max I'd like to see.....it's already crowded here, I wouldn't stick around to deal with another 2.5 million people.
And that is what I was thinking about. A lot of the people moving out live in those cramped apartments/projects/homes. The people coming in are usually professionals.
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