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View Poll Results: Will Houston surpass Chicago as the 3rd largest city by 2020?
Yes 497 41.49%
No 701 58.51%
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:53 PM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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are you serious? You don't think Houston has the infrastructure to house 500K more people?? I want some of whatever it is you PV guys smoke
kdogg is at Texas A&M. They have the good stuff over there, compared to the PV dirt stuff.
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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kdogg is at Texas A&M. They have the good stuff over there, compared to the PV dirt stuff.
ah, my bad. College Station is a bit further out but based on the BS I am hearing it seems the extra miles would be worth it.
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Old 04-12-2011, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Dallas,Texas
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Historical trends have shown Chicago population fluctuates goes up and goes down and than back up again. Houston may not grow forever and at this present time doesn't have the infrastrucutre to support 2.7 million residents within city limits like Chicago.
Kdogg, I disagree! I believe Houston has the infrastrucutre to support 2.7 million people. If they don't they can build it. Houston doesn't have 579 si mi of land for nothing.
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Louisiana to Houston to Denver to NOVA
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Kdogg, I disagree! I believe Houston has the infrastrucutre to support 2.7 million people. If they don't they can build it. Houston doesn't have 579 si mi of land for nothing.
Exactly, more sprawl developments and worse traffic. I already hate driving here, it'll be even worse. Those rail lines won't do much I fear.
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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Kdogg, I disagree! I believe Houston has the infrastrucutre to support 2.7 million people. If they don't they can build it. Houston doesn't have 579 si mi of land for nothing.
a lot of which is undeveloped. I never under stand why they are stuck on infrastructure? If you need more infrastructure and you are already built out well then tear down existing ones and build new ones. But that is a really stupid comment to begin with talking about Houston. One look at the city and room for infrastructure should be the last thing coming from your mouth. Basically 75% of the city is undeveloped or under developed.
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:30 PM
 
Location: NE Houston Texas
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I'm no expert but I disagree. Currently, I don't think Houston has the infrastructure for 1 million more people. It has the room, but traffic as it is is horrible, those people will make it worse and the city isn't building anymore freeways, and the rail isn't expanded enough and from what I know, is facing a hard time trying to expand.
I should probably rephrase this.

it is moving in a direction where it will be able to support and additional 1 million people.

With the improvements in the metro system, and the move to expand the Rail system. owning a car inside the loop will become less needed, urban density is coming to that region. Especially in the eastern wards and south side of town. Right now, the ground work for the North line, east line, and university line are in progress. finish dates should be around 2013-2014.

Also current moves to replicate US 59 (eastex) are underway by txdot in some of your outer lining regions. The Tollway expansion of the northern portion of the beltway, is also going to greatly divert many long detour that clog I-10 and 90.. Similar moves in the planning stages.

Can we house an additional 1 million people...i believe we can. of course if 1 million people were to move to Houston tomorrow, then obviously not.

But the movement to expand the infrastructure is there. No city on the planet is capable of accommodating 1 million people in one massive swoop.
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas,Texas
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a lot of which is undeveloped. I never under stand why they are stuck on infrastructure? If you need more infrastructure and you are already built out well then tear down existing ones and build new ones. But that is a really stupid comment to begin with talking about Houston. One look at the city and room for infrastructure should be the last thing coming from your mouth. Basically 75% of the city is undeveloped or under developed.
Sorry, but I don't understand.
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:39 PM
 
Location: NE Houston Texas
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Exactly, more sprawl developments and worse traffic. I already hate driving here, it'll be even worse. Those rail lines won't do much I fear.
Yes they will. I think you underestimate how badly the inner loop needs and wants those rail lines.

building a system of 25-35 miles worth of rail line is going to have a drastic impact on traffic. The greater question is what would we do if we didn't make this move? It will feel about the same, but we are going to make a significant jump in ridership from the 35-40K daily ridership we get now...on a 7 mile stretch... to about a 150-200k ridership when its complete.

add in possible commuter rails...and we can add an additional million to our current city populace without having that big a dramatic affect on traffic infrastructure.

lord knows we have the land to build additional homes, both single and multiple housing units.

in all honest though....i don't want Houston to get any larger then say 3.5 million. The metro can handle the massive growth, but to centralize anymore then that is going to be tough. 5-6 million in Harris is going to be insane.
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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This should help you guys out. Houston does not have the infrastructure now, but the plan is definitely there once the people start arriving: http://www.houstontx.gov/planning/DevelopRegs/mobility/MTFPMap/MTFP_Map10.pdf (broken link)
wow, looking at that map tells me it will me take a whole lot of people to get Houston to run out of space
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Old 04-12-2011, 06:42 PM
 
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Sorry, but I don't understand.
I was speaking to the people talking about lack of infrastructure. If they look at Houston the lack of infrastructure should be the last thing coming from their mouths
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