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Anywhere that was settled by large African American populations were hugely influenced by Southern culture. Hence a Polynesian male(me) from Oakland frequently says 'yall'
Not exactly identical, they're not the same kind of republicans. Most republicans in AZ have roots in the Midwest and California and vote more liberally on social issues compared to most Southern states.
Hmm I would say its between NM and AZ. Both states have a strong southern influence in architecture, history, food, and culture.
They do? What do you base this on? I don't know many people that claim Arizona and New Mexico are strongly influenced by the south. They are in the south-WEST. Not SOUTH-west. Totally different animals.
Anywhere that was settled by large African American populations were hugely influenced by Southern culture. Hence a Polynesian male(me) from Oakland frequently says 'yall'
Not all the time. The Black populations in Philly, NYC and Boston are hardly Southern by any stretch. Black New Yorker and Bostonians often have similar accents and speech patterns as the Irish and Italians they live somewhat near.
The Black populations in California are very Southern influenced because most Blacks in California migrated to the Golden State less than one hundred years ago in the 40's and up. Many Blacks in California were born in the Deep South. This is often not the case on the East Coast where native Blacks have lived in the region for sometimes hundreds of years or they are first generation African or Caribbean Americans as is the case in much of DC and NYC's Black populations.
That being said, the Black population in the Bay Area often reminds me of the Black population in New Orleans. There are many cultural similarities. For example, young Black folks in the Bay Area and New Orleans both are relatively recently historically fond of wearing Girbaud jeans. Both the Black populations in New Orleans and the Bay don't have big established gangs like L.A. or Chicago. The culture in much of the South and the Bay/L.A. is so similar that many California and Southern rappers are always collaborating and visiting each other's cities. Black New Yorkers and other Black urban East Coast natives often don't like anything about Southern Black culture except for their famously thick women. The Black populations in the West and South have respect for one another whereas New York and the East Coast comes off as condescending to both. And the car culture on the West Coast and many areas Down South is similar with the love of refurbished old school American cars.
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Yeah, but people in Phoenix don't sound any different than people in Southern California. I don't think it's a Southern thing.
Westerners have influenced the accent in Phoenix to make it sound like California, but the Pen=Pin merger doesn't go to California except for the San Joaquin Valley, which had a large Oakie population.
Westerners have influenced the accent in Phoenix to make it sound like California, but the Pen=Pin merger doesn't go to California except for the San Joaquin Valley, which had a large Oakie population.
You're assuming the pin-pen merger exists in Phoenix. Trust me, it doesn't. No native Phoenicians I know pronounce pen like pin. If you hear somebody say it that way they are from somewhere else.
They do? What do you base this on? I don't know many people that claim Arizona and New Mexico are strongly influenced by the south. They are in the south-WEST. Not SOUTH-west. Totally different animals.
Dialect, cuisine, shared history, immigration patterns, religious affiliation. That's just off the top of my head. Arizona and New Mexico for that matter share very little of the above with states like Arkansas, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc. And you mentioned architecture? Yeah, I see southern style plantation manors all the time in Phoenix.
You're assuming the pin-pen merger exists in Phoenix. Trust me, it doesn't. No native Phoenicians I know pronounce pen like pin. If you hear somebody say it that way they are from somewhere else.
Not all the time. The Black populations in Philly, NYC and Boston are hardly Southern by any stretch. Black New Yorker and Bostonians often have similar accents and speech patterns as the Irish and Italians they live somewhat near.
The Black populations in California are very Southern influenced because most Blacks in California migrated to the Golden State less than one hundred years ago in the 40's and up. Many Blacks in California were born in the Deep South. This is often not the case on the East Coast where native Blacks have lived in the region for sometimes hundreds of years or they are first generation African or Caribbean Americans as is the case in much of DC and NYC's Black populations.
That being said, the Black population in the Bay Area often reminds me of the Black population in New Orleans. There are many cultural similarities. For example, young Black folks in the Bay Area and New Orleans both are relatively recently historically fond of wearing Girbaud jeans. Both the Black populations in New Orleans and the Bay don't have big established gangs like L.A. or Chicago. The culture in much of the South and the Bay/L.A. is so similar that many California and Southern rappers are always collaborating and visiting each other's cities. Black New Yorkers and other Black urban East Coast natives often don't like anything about Southern Black culture except for their famously thick women. The Black populations in the West and South have respect for one another whereas New York and the East Coast comes off as condescending to both. And the car culture on the West Coast and many areas Down South is similar with the love of refurbished old school American cars.
The east-coast Blacks in NY come from the South. Boston's a little different, but same phenomenon. Alot of NYC Blacks move down South to NC and Atlanta, these are places in which their grandparents came from. Although they may look down, they still move down, and date the women. Its similar to California Blacks ancestry coming from Texas and Louisiana, and Mississipi. Also similar to Midwestern Blacks ancestry coming from Mississippi and Alabama.
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