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View Poll Results: Which city on the West Coast has the strongest Black presence
Los Angeles 52 25.87%
Oakland 135 67.16%
Seattle 3 1.49%
Phoenix 3 1.49%
Las Vegas 2 1.00%
Sacramento 1 0.50%
Richmond, CA 1 0.50%
Vallejo 3 1.49%
Riverside 1 0.50%
San Diego 0 0%
Voters: 201. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-22-2013, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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I'm very surprised Atlanta's black population decreased. I thought black population in Greater Atlanta nearly doubled over the past 10 years.


There are several reasons for this. The control blacks had over the city's government has decreased. Also many lower income blacks from around the country would come to Atlanta for newer opportunities, but are now competing with Indian and Asian workers. Lower income nibs are on the decline in Atlanta as well. It's the Atlanta black lower class population decreasing, Atlanta's black middle and upper class will still give Atlanta a reasonable amount of blacks. There has also been a lot of gentrification throughout Atlanta, so it's become a lot whiter.

Atlanta just represents more than just blacks. It's becoming a very major and relevant East Coast city. Did you hear an Atlanta based company is buying NYSE Euronext? So a lot of the derivatives trading market could be moving to Atlanta. Atlanta is almost to the point where it could compete directly with NYC.

As a result of Atlanta's growth, it is now making it necessary to snow Altanta is more than just a black Mecca. It's become very diverse and is attracting more international people and interest everyday.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:14 PM
 
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Don't know what to tell you. To begin to imply Seattle has any reasonable black population is you lying to yourself. Anyone honest would agree that there aren't a lot of black people in Seattle. I mean my first week in Seattle, I literally saw no black people, even when I was walking around downtown. I mean you'll run into black people occasionally here and there. However for the most part, you will rarely see many black people. I have admit, I'm an east sider. But compare this to cities with a black population, where blacks are represented in most neighborhoods and economic classes. This simply isn't the case in Seattle. At first I thought Seattle was just racist, but I've found most black Seattlitrs I've run across are very complacent and lazy. They remind me of the black people in my home town, KC. Black people just refuse to even try to live outside of non black areas. I guess after living in Atlanta for so long where the black people are more diverse in politics, class levels, and success, it's weird to see this level of this level of homogeneity found amongst Seattle blacks.
pwright has lived in Seattle, and I've seen pictures from him regarding Blacks in Seattle. I would listen to him. In fact, one of the longest running threads in the Seattle forum was about Blacks in Seattle. He was a major contributor to it, and so was I(but I posted under pirate_lafitte before changing my username).
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:15 PM
 
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I'm very surprised Atlanta's black population decreased. I thought black population in Greater Atlanta nearly doubled over the past 10 years.
I live in metro Atlanta. Blacks are living Atlanta city, but they are going to the suburbs in large numbers.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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pwright has lived in Seattle, and I've seen pictures from him regarding Blacks in Seattle. I would listen to him. In fact, one of the longest running threads in the Seattle forum was about Blacks in Seattle. He was a major contributor to it, and so was I(but I posted under pirate_lafitte before changing my username).

I would think I have some credit since I'm actually in Seattle as I'm writing this post. No 'lived' in Seattle, but 'live' in Seattle. I could be in downtown Seattle and see the lack od black people a lot faster than you and probably Pwright can. I mean I'm in Bellevue, I can be down 405 in 20 minutes.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:53 PM
 
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I would think I have some credit since I'm actually in Seattle as I'm writing this post. No 'lived' in Seattle, but 'live' in Seattle. I could be in downtown Seattle and see the lack od black people a lot faster than you and probably Pwright can. I mean I'm in Bellevue, I can be down 405 in 20 minutes.
Well, pwright actually has photos. This is the last I'm going to say about it.
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Old 02-22-2013, 11:58 PM
 
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There are several reasons for this. The control blacks had over the city's government has decreased. Also many lower income blacks from around the country would come to Atlanta for newer opportunities, but are now competing with Indian and Asian workers. Lower income nibs are on the decline in Atlanta as well. It's the Atlanta black lower class population decreasing, Atlanta's black middle and upper class will still give Atlanta a reasonable amount of blacks. There has also been a lot of gentrification throughout Atlanta, so it's become a lot whiter.

Atlanta just represents more than just blacks. It's becoming a very major and relevant East Coast city. Did you hear an Atlanta based company is buying NYSE Euronext? So a lot of the derivatives trading market could be moving to Atlanta. Atlanta is almost to the point where it could compete directly with NYC.

As a result of Atlanta's growth, it is now making it necessary to snow Altanta is more than just a black Mecca. It's become very diverse and is attracting more international people and interest everyday.
C'mon.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:01 AM
 
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Native born blacks and whites are leaving California by the droves. Much of California is mired in a deep economic depression. This is not debatable. California continues to suffer some of the worst unemployment and foreclosure of the economic downturn. Fresh off the border Latinos and fresh-off-the-boat Asians, the latter to a lesser extent, are slowly becoming the overwhelming majority in many California cities as California is infinitely better than the real third world. Things like San Francisco implementing the higher minimum wage mandate does not give incentive for businesses to hire unemployed English speaking Americans for jobs when illegal immigrants can be hired under the table. Not to mention cities like San Francisco are pretty hellish for black people. Black people are a peripheral and often neglected minority in most big California cities. It is no surprise that blacks relocate to areas of the country where black people are not confined only to the worst parts of town. California has become a state for those who are rich enough not to work, people with insane highly marketable high tech skills and gang bangers who will shoot or stab you for wearing the "wrong" color.

But tens of thousands of black folks are leaving big cities, period. Black flight is reshaping American cities:

Blacks' exodus reshapes cities - USATODAY.com

It is worth mentioning that although DC, proper, is losing its black population, black folks that used to reside in the District aren't going far. Most black folks displaced by gentrification in DC only move a few miles away across the city line into bordering Prince Georges County, Maryland, much of which is basically a nearly indistinguishable extension of Northeast and Southeast DC. DC is too expensive for most people. However, nearby PG County is statistically the richest black-majority county in America. Although PG County is infamous for its crime-ridden inner beltway towns locally, the wealthy majority black areas of PG County continue to attract high earning black residents moving from all over the country.

Many blacks leaving cities in California are moving way out of state to places like Atlanta, Houston and DC. Especially upwardly mobile black folks with education:

D.C.-Area Gets Blacker While City Gets Whiter | DCentric

Confessions of a Black D.C. Gentrifier - Washington City Paper

This is a smart move because these cities are home to large black upper middle class populations. California cities never make these lists:

Top 10 Cities For African-Americans To Live (Did Your City Make The List?) | Hip-Hop Wired

Top 10 Cities For African-Americans To Live (Did Your City Make The List?) | Hip-Hop Wired

The 10 Best Cities To Raise African-American Families | Madame Noire | Black Women's Lifestyle Guide | Black Hair | Black Love
Alot of burbs are becoming high-crime burbs as low-income Blacks are kicked out of the city, and moved forced to the burbs. Imagine that...
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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C'mon.
I think you underestimate how big of a deal it is getting NYSE Euronext. Being the center of the the US derivatives market is nothing to sneeze at. I'm sure the trading floor will always be in wall street though. But let me not speak too soon. I'm not sure if the merger was finalized and been a solid month since I've followed up.
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Old 02-23-2013, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Well, pwright actually has photos. This is the last I'm going to say about it.

How are photos better than someone who can walk outside and see things with his own eyes? If I wanted to know if Seattle has black people, I could walk out the door. I don't need pnotos
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:15 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Don't know what to tell you. To begin to imply Seattle has any reasonable black population is you lying to yourself. Anyone honest would agree that there aren't a lot of black people in Seattle. I mean my first week in Seattle, I literally saw no black people, even when I was walking around downtown. I mean you'll run into black people occasionally here and there. However for the most part, you will rarely see many black people. I have admit, I'm an east sider. But compare this to cities with a black population, where blacks are represented in most neighborhoods and economic classes. This simply isn't the case in Seattle. At first I thought Seattle was just racist, but I've found most black Seattlitrs I've run across are very complacent and lazy. They remind me of the black people in my home town, KC. Black people just refuse to even try to live outside of non black areas. I guess after living in Atlanta for so long where the black people are more diverse in politics, class levels, and success, it's weird to see this level of this level of homogeneity found amongst Seattle blacks.
No one ever said Seattle has as many blacks as Atlanta. And to even make such an ignorant statement about blacks in Seattle shows your ignorance. I know black doctors, engineers, dentist, teachers, lawyers, bankers, artist, anchors on the local news stations. Have you ever been to the Mount Baker, Leschi, Madrona, Lakeview, Seward Park, Central District, Lakeridge or Madison Valley communities of Seattle. Have you been to any of the black owned restaurants around town? Have you been to the PNW African American Museum? Have you been to Scoupe Dejour Ice Cream in Madison Park? Great ice cream and the nicest family you ever wanted to meet. Have you been to Starbucks at 23rd and Jackson Street? Great place to shoot the breeze and look at the beautiful black and white photography on the walls of Seattle's jazz scene back in the 40s and 50s. Do you even know anything about Seattle's black history? Just asking? I'm from DC and didn't Expect Seattle to have as many but was pleasantly surprised as to what Seattle had to offer for aa.
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