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View Poll Results: Which is more urban?
Washington D.C. 21 14.48%
Philadelphia P.A. 124 85.52%
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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But how is a two-floor rowhouse denser than a seven-floor apartment building? I'm not getting this.
Nobody is getting it. I just stopped trying.
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Again, doesn't really mean anything. "city hall" is such an arbitrary spot and doesn't really provide much information. NYC and Chicago both have their city hall's in the center of their financial districts, they are not even close to the center of the population.
I agree, the graph I linked to uses distance from the densest census tract, which is a little bit better (as the densest tracts are usually in the center of the city or immediately adjacent to it). It's not perfect but I think that graph lines up pretty closely with what I have experienced in those cities.

Also KodeBlue, what are you talking about with Philly, Boston, Baltimore being more structurally dense than NYC? I usually agree with you but
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:36 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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I don't get your argument. I mean, I agree with your point (apartments vs. rowhouses), but your conclusion is all wrong.

And this is exactly why NYC is much more structurally dense. It's because the apartment buildings are taking up more space than the rowhouses. How could Philly be more dense, when we're comparing two floor buildings with back yards and alleys to seven floor buildings with no back yards or alleys?
I see what you mean, however, we are looking at the same thing, but seeing it differently. What I'm seeing is a bunch of rowhouses stretched along a narrow street compared to bigger apartments that are along wider boulevards and wide sidewalks; Philly Boston and Baltimore share that same characteristic.
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I see what you mean, however, we are looking at the same thing, but seeing it differently. What I'm seeing is a bunch of rowhouses stretched along a narrow street compared to bigger apartments that are along wider boulevards and wide sidewalks; Philly Boston and Baltimore share that same characteristic.
I'm sorry, a two story building will never be as urban as a 9 story highrise. Driving around Baltimore, the most urban part is downtown. I don't understand your logic.
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:49 PM
 
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I'm sorry, a two story building will never be as urban as a 9 story highrise. Driving around Baltimore, the most urban part is downtown. I don't understand your logic.
By that logic, Miami is also more urban than Baltimore, Philly and Boston.
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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By that logic, Miami is also more urban than Baltimore, Philly and Boston.
As a metro and metro only. Not as a city.
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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But how is a two-floor rowhouse denser than a seven-floor apartment building? I'm not getting this.
NO ONE SAID THAT! YOUR ACTING LIKE D.C. IS AN APARTMENT CITY, AND IM COMPARING APARTMENTS TO ROWHOMES! If that was the case the population would be MUCH higher. There's no apartment only neighborhoods in D.C. SO WHY DO Y'ALL KEEP THINKING IM COMPARING APARTMENT TO ROWHOMES?!? NYC is an apartment city. The only in the us.
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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By that logic, Miami is also more urban than Baltimore, Philly and Boston.
Yeah but the most urban parts of NYC are places like the Upper East Side that has wall to wall 15-20 story buildings. I'm sure you'll agree that the Upper East Side =/= Miami.

I can see the argument that Philly is more compact than NYC. But not structurally denser.
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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By that logic, Miami is also more urban than Baltimore, Philly and Boston.
No, because buildings are only half the equation when it comes to urban design. The other half is building street relationship which Miami fails at miserably. When talking about DC, you not only have a ton of apartment buildings going up everywhere, they also have zero lot develop patterns coming right up to the street with underground parking. Structured parking garages are better than surface, but pale I'm comparison to underground parking which is the norm in DC.
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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NO ONE SAID THAT! YOUR ACTING LIKE D.C. IS AN APARTMENT CITY, AND IM COMPARING APARTMENTS TO ROWHOMES! If that was the case the population would be MUCH higher. There's no apartment only neighborhoods in D.C. SO WHY DO Y'ALL KEEP THINKING IM COMPARING APARTMENT TO ROWHOMES?!? NYC is an apartment city. The only in the us.

HUH? Are you sure about that? When was the last time you came to D.C. These neighborhoods below are all apartment only neighborhoods. Have you been to these neighborhoods before?

Mt. Vernon Triangle:

Lyric
443-459 Eye Street
The Arts at 5th & I
460 New York Avenue
Yale West
Meridian at Mount Vernon Square
Meridian at Mt. Vernon Triangle
450 K Street


Or how about NOMA:

Camden NoMa - phase 1
Archstone First + M
77H
Aria
Washington Gateway
Trilogy at NoMa (NoMa West)
360
701 2nd Street
Burnham Place
2 M Street

Maybe you have heard of Capitol Riverfront:

Camden South Capitol
RiverFront on the Anacostia
909 Half Street
The Yards: 4th and Tingey SE
Twelve12
Factory 202
Akridge at Half Street
Half Street
Park Chelsea
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