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I think the closest thing to Fulton Mall in Philly is probably Chestnut Street, where a similar pedestrian/bus lane experiment was tried in the 70's/80's, with pretty similar results.
And today, both are pretty crappy/lowbrow for a similar stretch, and both have really nice areas 2-3 blocks away (Brooklyn Heights/Rittenhouse).
I guess comparing Atlantic Center to the Gallery seems apropos.
I am sorry but there is no way you can compare Chestnut Street to the Fulton Street Mall. Chestnut ain't Walnut but it's certainly not terrible (not between 20th and Broad at least). Fulton Street Mall is pretty terrible.
I am sorry but there is no way you can compare Chestnut Street to the Fulton Street Mall. Chestnut ain't Walnut but it's certainly not terrible (not between 20th and Broad at least). Fulton Street Mall is pretty terrible.
LOL, but you just compared it to Walnut Street! I think there's at least an actual good reason why you could compare it to Chestnut, and I gave that reason in my post.
Not sure why this thread exists...other than Barclay Center and that outdoor mall, Brooklyn's downtown is almost nonexistent. Now if we're comparing the actual borough of Brooklyn to Philadelphia, it gets much more interesting.
I am not quite sure what that reason is (bus lane?). Regardless, what I was taking issue with (in case it wasn't abundantly clear) was this statement:
If that's implying that they are similarly crappy that's inaccurate.
What I was talking about was that Fulton Street, and Chestnut Street were struggling commercial streets that both underwent very similar renovations in the 80's to transfrorm them into pedestrian malls, closed to traffic except for public transit. Neither of those renovations were particularly successful, and ultimately Philly basically abandoned the pedestrian mall experiment on Chestnut St street, whereas Fulton Mall inexplicably still exists. I think that shared history makes them a more interesting apples-to-apples comparison than some of these other things, regardless of where exactly each stands on the dumpiness scale at the moment.
What I was talking about was that Fulton Street, and Chestnut Street were struggling commercial streets that both underwent very similar renovations in the 80's to transfrorm them into pedestrian malls, closed to traffic except for public transit. Neither of those renovations were particularly successful, and ultimately Philly basically abandoned the pedestrian mall experiment on Chestnut St street, whereas Fulton Mall inexplicably still exists. I think that shared history makes them a more interesting apples-to-apples comparison than some of these other things, regardless of where exactly each stands on the dumpiness scale at the moment.
Okay I see what you are saying. Yes they may have a similar history, but today they are nothing alike.
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