U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 11-28-2009, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Willowbend/Houston
13,403 posts, read 20,282,670 times
Reputation: 10181

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by frsno1 View Post
I will give a crack at this. Whatever cities are in the same tiers are in no particular order btw:

Tier 1a: New York City
Tier 1b: Los Angeles

Tier 2a: D.C., Chicago, S.F.
Tier 2b: Boston Houston

Tier 3a: Atlanta, Dallas, Philadelphia
Tier 3b: Miami, Seattle, Detroit, Denver, St. Louis, Minneapolis

The other tiers I'm to lazy to do
Ill buy that.

 
Old 11-28-2009, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
4,887 posts, read 12,191,933 times
Reputation: 2574
Quote:
Originally Posted by decafdave

befriend Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Columbia, SC
1,513 posts, read 961,253 times
Reputation: 460


Quote:
Originally Posted by adambos
Tier 1
New York City
No other city is on par with NY. Period.

Tier 2

LA, Chicago, DC


Tier 3

SF, Boston, Philladelphia

Tier 4

Atanta, Miami, Houston, dallas, Denver, etc

Quote:
Originally Posted by decafdave View Post
This raises several questions but what makes you put Philadelphia in tier 3 and not tier 4?
Perhaps a better question is What makes you think Philadelphia should not be in Tier 2 assuming SF and Boston are Tier 3 cities ?

Philadelphia the first planned city in the USA, was either the first or second most populated city for 70% of this countrys life span. Downtown Philadlephia has 7 Fortune 500 companies compared to SF 7 Boston 2.

Census data MSA metropolitan estimates as of July 1 2008.

5.Philadlephia- 5,839,471

10. Boston- 4,522,858

13.SF-Oak-Fremont 4,274,531




Claritas- 2007 Regional Household Income worth $1,000,000 to $1,999,999

NYC- 189,669
LA- 127,556
Chicago- 87,440
Philadelphia- 76,561
SF- 72,631
Washington-72,463
Boston-64,090
Dallas- 51,832
Atlanta-50,834
Detroit-50,164


List of US urban Areas by population
1 New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT UA 17,799,861
2 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA UA 11,789,487
3 Chicago, IL-IN UA 8,307,904
4 Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD UA 5,149,079
5 Miami, FL UA 4,919,036
6 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX UA 4,145,659
7 Boston, MA-NH-RI UA 4,032,484
8 Washington, DC-VA-MD UA 3,933,920
9 Detroit, MI UA 3,903,377
10 Houston, TX UA 3,822,509
11 Atlanta, GA UA 3,499,840
12 San Francisco-Oakland, CA UA 3,228,605
13 Phoenix-Mesa, AZ UA 2,907,049
 
Old 11-28-2009, 08:37 AM
 
Location: In the heights
20,111 posts, read 21,729,745 times
Reputation: 10216
Well, it's really if you take the Bay Area as including the contiguous and very much urbanized area that rings the bay that puts it above Philadelphia and into tier 2/3.
 
Old 11-28-2009, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
4,887 posts, read 12,191,933 times
Reputation: 2574
Quote:
Originally Posted by OyCrumbler View Post
Well, it's really if you take the Bay Area as including the contiguous and very much urbanized area that rings the bay that puts it above Philadelphia and into tier 2/3.
Lets stick with MSA parameters for this arguments sake.San Jose metro developed independently of SF, in effect its 2 seperate metroes, technically speaking.
 
Old 11-28-2009, 09:46 AM
 
Location: In the heights
20,111 posts, read 21,729,745 times
Reputation: 10216
Quote:
Originally Posted by rainrock View Post
Lets stick with MSA parameters for this arguments sake.San Jose metro developed independently of SF, in effect its 2 seperate metroes, technically speaking.
Maybe, but the MSA parameters ignore that the Bay Area is very much a cohesive unit (a strong shared identity, heavily crossed commuter patterns, various institutions identified with the area as a whole, extensive mass transit, many shared demographic attributes) with a polycenter layout. That's not something that can be said of various other combined MSAs in the US such as the various metros in the Northeast corridor. In effect, we're making a very arbitrary decision for an argument's sake.
 
Old 11-28-2009, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
4,887 posts, read 12,191,933 times
Reputation: 2574
Quote:
Originally Posted by OyCrumbler View Post
Maybe, but the MSA parameters ignore that the Bay Area is very much a cohesive unit
Is Napa and Sunnyvale(70 miles apart seperated by body of water) as cohesive as Philadlephia and Camden County(0.2 M apart) ?

No.

Lets stick to MSA parameters please.
 
Old 11-28-2009, 10:18 AM
 
Location: In the heights
20,111 posts, read 21,729,745 times
Reputation: 10216
Quote:
Originally Posted by rainrock View Post
Is Napa and Sunnyvale(70 miles apart seperated by body of water) as cohesive as Philadlephia and Camden County(0.2 M apart) ?

No.

Lets stick to MSA parameters please.
You can do that if you'd like. It doesn't make much sense to me to separate SF/SJ/East Bay when they are obviously closely linked.

You're being silly with your retort since Napa isn't that strongly a part of the contiguous urbanized ring (the North Bay is nice, but it's thinly populated and doesn't have some of the characteristics I listed in my previous post). Plus, the Philly MSA also includes points greater than 70 miles apart.
 
Old 11-28-2009, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
11,829 posts, read 9,829,915 times
Reputation: 7981
[quote=OyCrumbler;11805246] Plus, the Philly MSA also includes points greater than 70 miles apart.[/QUOTE/]

I'm pretty sure Philly's MSA does not include areas 70 miles away. Afterall New York City is only 90 miles away and really keeps Philly's technical MSA area confined. In fact there are areas that have very strong ties to the Philly area (Trenton, Allentown/Bethlehem/Easton, Atlantic City) which are not included with the MSA.
 
Old 11-28-2009, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
31,575 posts, read 53,103,852 times
Reputation: 14495
Quote:
Originally Posted by rainrock View Post
Lets stick with MSA parameters for this arguments sake.
No, let's stick with CSA parameters for accuracy's sake.

Gross Product, 2008
5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA $508.418 Billion
9. Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA $351.680 Billion




 
Old 11-28-2009, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
4,887 posts, read 12,191,933 times
Reputation: 2574
Quote:
Originally Posted by Montclair
No, let's stick with CSA parameters for accuracy's sake
For accuracys state the thread title is US CITY TIERS , if it were named US Combined Metro Statistical Area Tiers you and OY would have an argument, not here , not now.

MSA is the fair measure that is used to gauge the direct soceital impact that a core city has had on its region. Sunnyvale is no more of an offspring to SF as Binghamton NY is to Philadlephia. The CMSA is irrelevant. Especially irrelevant in threads titled US CITY TIERS.



If you want to go with the CMSA route. Philadlephia would have every right to claim Allentown,Reading, Trenton, Atlantic City, Dover.They are every bit a part if not moreso a part of Philadlephia as Sunnyvale is to SF. The CMSA #'s would be drastically different, especially now after real estate values have dropped 40% in the Bay Area.


If there is one aspect that highlights the influence that a core city has on its region its TV market rankings as TV Advertising basically ran this country from 1940 to present day.


U.S. TV Household Estimates Designated
Market Area (DMA) — Ranked by Households


Rank Designated Market Area (DMA) TV Households (USA)
1 New York, NY 7,493,530
2 Los Angeles, CA 5,659,170
3 Chicago, IL 3,501,010
4 Philadelphia, PA 2,955,190
5 Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX 2,544,410
6 San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, CA 2,503,400
7 Boston, MA (Manchester, NH) 2,410,180
8 Atlanta, GA 2,387,520
9 Washington, DC (Hagerstown, MD) 2,335,040
10 Houston, TX 2,123,460
11 Detroit, MI 1,890,220

Last edited by rainrock; 11-28-2009 at 04:57 PM..
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S. > City vs. City
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top