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Old 05-28-2013, 08:38 AM
 
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NYC lost population in the 1960 and 1980 cencus. Philly had 5 decades of decline losing a quarter of it population. It did make a slight gain in the last census, just as current estimates are showing modest gains in Philly and Chicago.
But the distinction is that there is no Census that shows gains for Chicago. The annual estimates are something different.

Philly has shown official gains. NYC has shown massive official gains. We're still waiting on an official population turnaround for Chicago.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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But the distinction is that there is no Census that shows gains for Chicago. The annual estimates are something different.

Philly has shown official gains. NYC has shown massive official gains. We're still waiting on an official population turnaround for Chicago.
But what does raw population increase mean? One needs to look at who is moving to the city and who is moving out of the city. "desirable" people are moving into Chicago and "undesirable" people are moving out of Chicago.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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But what does raw population increase mean? One needs to look at who is moving to the city and who is moving out of the city. "desirable" people are moving into Chicago and "undesirable" people are moving out of Chicago.
Yeah, that's happening a lot, hence the Brookings report on how poverty is soaring in the suburbs while decreasing in many large cities.

Oakland officially declined by 2% in the 2010 Census but Downtown Oakland soared by 30% and the people moving in are immigrants, affluent yuppies and hipsters.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:53 AM
 
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Yeah, that's happening a lot, hence the Brookings report on how poverty is soaring in the suburbs while decreasing in many large cities.

Oakland officially declined by 2% in the 2010 Census but Downtown Oakland soared by 30% and the people moving in are immigrants, affluent yuppies and hipsters.
exactly. Was in Oakland last month, the city is thriving at an all time high, despite any population loss.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:05 AM
 
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exactly. Was in Oakland last month, the city is thriving at an all time high, despite any population loss.
Yeah, we have to realize that growth rates vary depending on what part of town we're talking about.

Chicago's downtown grew like a sunbelt boomburb in the 2000s.
Chicago Leads U.S. Cities In Largest Influx Of Downtown Residents, U.S. Census Report Shows
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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Yeah the census estimates also said in 2009 Atlanta had 540,000 and Chicago had 2.9 million

Been than turned around and said in the 2010 census that Atlanta had 420,000...and Chicago had actually 2.6 million...so I'll take these here estimates with a grain of salt
I agree, as it seemed that many Northern cities had overestimated losses before the 2010 census.
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:02 PM
 
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But the distinction is that there is no Census that shows gains for Chicago. The annual estimates are something different.

Philly has shown official gains. NYC has shown massive official gains. We're still waiting on an official population turnaround for Chicago.

Well we'll see in the next census. Philly had A gain, singular, what was it 30,000 after losing 600,000.....
Estimates show a gain in Chicago right now, but we'll see.
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Old 05-28-2013, 01:07 PM
 
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Well we'll see in the next census. Philly had A gain, singular, what was it 30,000 after losing 600,000.....
Estimates show a gain in Chicago right now, but we'll see.
best estimates show that Philly has been adding for ~ 10 years now. After many years of decline since the 50's it bottomed out at ~1.45 million. Latest estimates show getting closer to 1.55 million or about 100K added in the last 10 years. The most recent year was right at about 10K. I think its pretty accurate. I would estimate that Philly will add another 60-80K through 2020 TBH. Today the gain is offsetting the loss after many years of the opposite
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Old 05-28-2013, 04:06 PM
 
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best estimates show that Philly has been adding for ~ 10 years now. After many years of decline since the 50's it bottomed out at ~1.45 million. Latest estimates show getting closer to 1.55 million or about 100K added in the last 10 years. The most recent year was right at about 10K. I think its pretty accurate. I would estimate that Philly will add another 60-80K through 2020 TBH. Today the gain is offsetting the loss after many years of the opposite
I agree, he was just hung up on official census numbers....
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