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Old 05-28-2013, 03:32 AM
 
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MSA (using top 17) ranking of population-weighted density by certain distances from city hall, using 2010 Census data. Population density profiles - People and Households - U.S. Census Bureau

*People per square mile (in thousands)

@ 1 Mile
1. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 80,951
2. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 35,550
3. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 32,013
4. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 31,023
5. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 30,710
6. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 26,673
7. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 24,858
8. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 17,819
9. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 12,790
10. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 12,745
11. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 9,946
12. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 8,769
13. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 6,691
14. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 6,302
15. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 6,292
16. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 5,560
17. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 3,934

@ 3 Miles
1. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 58,140
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 26,764
3. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 22,867
4. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 22,119
5. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 21,289
6. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 19,959
7. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 18,178
8. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 12,696
9. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 12,694
10. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 8,377
11. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 7,401
12. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 6,106
13. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 5,902
14. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 5,737
15. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 5,025
16. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 4,453
17. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 3,306

@ 5 Miles

1. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 75,092
2. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 23,442
3. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 18,626
4. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 17,435
5. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 14,653
6. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 11,494
7. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 11,440
8. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 10,488
9. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 9,413
10. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 7,928
11. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 6,347
12. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 6,274
13. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 5,909
14. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 5,583
15. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 5,312
16. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 5,246
17. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 3,949

@ 10 Miles
1. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 46,835
2. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 13,597
3. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 11,500
4. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 9,399
5. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 9,251
6. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 9,022
7. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 5,729
8. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 5,580
9. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 5,560
10. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 5,544
11. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,306
12. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 5,178
13. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 4,842
14. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 4,538
15. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 4,327
16. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 3,342
17. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 3,301

@ 15 Miles

1. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 14,493
2. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 12,429
3. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 9,468
4. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 6,418
5. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 6,285
6. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 5,041
7. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 4,551
8. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 4,546
9. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 4,380
10. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 4,216
11. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 3,953
12. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 3,930
13. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 3,840
14. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 3,424
15. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 2,597
16. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 2,382
17. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 2,371

@ 20 Miles
1. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 9,849
2. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 7,061
3. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 6,451
4. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,751
5. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 5,672
6. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 4,561
7. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 4,006
8. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 3,900
9. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 3,609
10. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 3,319
11. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 3,106
12. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 2,989
13. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 2,778
14. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 2,365
15. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 2,223
16. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 1,960
17. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 1,469

@ 25 Miles

1. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 7,344
2. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 6,261
3. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 5,708
4. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 5,597
5. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 5,480
6. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 3,689
7. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 3,606
8. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 3,393
9. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 3,390
10. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 3,348
11. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 2,531
12. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 2,471
13. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 2,348
14. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 2,020
15. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 1,992
16. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 1,323
17. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 1,144

@ 30 Miles

1. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 9,985
2. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 7,346
3. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 5,420
4. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 4,731
5. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 3,381
6. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 3,343
7. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 2,597
8. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 2,390
9. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 2,352
10. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 1,822
11. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 1,782
12. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 1,457
13. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 1,222
14. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 1,201
15. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 1,186
16. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 871
17. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 50

@ 35 Miles
1. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 7,029
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 6,305
3. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 5,148
4. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 4,888
5. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 4,826
6. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 2,936
7. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 2,777
8. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 2,762
9. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 2,511
10. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 1,770
11. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 1,034
12. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 828
13. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 684
14. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 662
15. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 350
16. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 300
17. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 264
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Old 05-28-2013, 05:45 AM
 
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I do not understand what weighted density is, but I do know with the real density numbers it's a whole different numbers.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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I do not understand what weighted density is, but I do know with the real density numbers it's a whole different numbers.
From Seattle Transit Blog: "Weighted density counts the local density around each person and averages it over all the residents in an area. Although not without its own problems, the average is less impacted by large unpopulated areas, largely eliminating boundary games."

Therefore, Lake Michigan is not counted with Chicago, the East River and Hudson are not counted for NYC, Santa Monica Mountains count very little for Los Angeles.

It's basically a slightly more sophisticated way to measure density. As you can see from the OP's source, it the Census Bureau has begun using it so it is a pretty legitimate statistic.
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Old 05-28-2013, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Very interesting stats. It would be fun to see them do this in various directions too to see if one direction weights it lighter/heavier for each city. Most cities are not 100% uniform after awhile in all directions.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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From Seattle Transit Blog: "Weighted density counts the local density around each person and averages it over all the residents in an area. Although not without its own problems, the average is less impacted by large unpopulated areas, largely eliminating boundary games."

Therefore, Lake Michigan is not counted with Chicago, the East River and Hudson are not counted for NYC, Santa Monica Mountains count very little for Los Angeles.

It's basically a slightly more sophisticated way to measure density. As you can see from the OP's source, it the Census Bureau has begun using it so it is a pretty legitimate statistic.
I still dont see why New York ranks so low at 35miles when in statistics its numbers are higher then everyone. So I dont really see this as good way to see the density, because real numbers prove otherwise.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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the stats after 15 miles are super confusing. i wouldn't believe any of those numbers for even a split second.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:41 AM
 
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@ 15 Miles
1. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 14,493
2. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 12,429
3. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 9,468
4. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 6,418
5. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 6,285
6. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 5,041
7. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 4,551
8. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 4,546
9. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 4,380
10. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 4,216
11. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 3,953
12. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 3,930
13. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 3,840
14. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 3,424
15. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 2,597
16. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 2,382
17. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 2,371

@ 20 Miles
1. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 9,849
2. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 7,061
3. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 6,451
4. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,751
5. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 5,672
6. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 4,561
7. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 4,006
8. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 3,900
9. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 3,609
10. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 3,319
11. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 3,106
12. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 2,989
13. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 2,778
14. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 2,365
15. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 2,223
16. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 1,960
17. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 1,469


If the above is accurate, it just goes to show planning and development patterns play a large role in the outcome of a radius population sweep. How can D.C. have a higher density at 20 miles than 15 miles? Probably because our development runs linear along our metro lines and MARC/VRE commuter rail lines. I know D.C. is built around transit and preserves area's not near transit for agriculture. Most region's just build anywhere so I don't know how to make an apples to apples comparison to region's with poor urban planning. The D.C. region grew mostly after the construction of metro and commuter rail. This has allowed development to be concentrated. The only other area where development concentrated was the Dulles Toll Road that now has Metro too so the whole region pretty much radiates in linear lines along metro routes.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Miami's numbers seem very odd. Are some of them switched? 12k for 15 miles seems like an outlier.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, New York
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I still dont see why New York ranks so low at 35miles when in statistics its numbers are higher then everyone. So I dont really see this as good way to see the density, because real numbers prove otherwise.
New York falls off sharply because even the dense parts of the metro cannot offset the Atlantic ocean waters it captures at 15+ miles from the city hall. That's why at some point even the more inland Philadelphia is denser than NYC.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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Weighted density seems odd.

I think id rather go with simple density and continuity at the tract level
Urban area needs work but i don't think they are not bad.
CSA density is pure crap because at that level it takes in so much space.
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