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View Poll Results: Where Should a Billionaire Put a Big-League Team?
Inland Empire...We're Not LA! 6 10.53%
Las Vegas...We Need Something Besides Slots! 24 42.11%
Hartford...Ignore the Whalers! 6 10.53%
Austin...San Antonio Spurs Make Us Jealous! 17 29.82%
Hampton Roads...We're Virginia Beach and Norfolk Too! 13 22.81%
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:20 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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I thought this thread was about cities that don't have any pro sports whatsoever, why do people keep mentioning cities that already have them...? The OP stated that in his first post, and already had to remind people again. Stop talking about Seattle, OKC, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, LA, KC etc.
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Old 08-06-2013, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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To there eyes Milwaukee just isn't an Attractive market. They support their college sports greatly but the Bucks support is lack luster at best even when they are a playoff team and the Brewers are hit and miss. I just think the next market the NHL sets up in is a large market that has proven record of supporting their teams. I'm not saying their isn't diehard Milwaukee sports fans, but as whom watches you from a far, I haven't been really impressed with how much it seems the city cares about it's pro sports. Hope one day they do get a chance at a team though!
Nah, the Brewers are almost always top 10 in attendance and it's the smallest market in MLB. It's simply not a basketball town. Milwaukee strongly supports baseball (see: above), football (Milwaukee fans religiously drive 2 hours to Green Bay for the 4 "Milwaukee ticket holder" Packer games), and hockey. NBA just doesn't hack it here, and the ownership is perhaps the worst in professional basketball, making it even worse. That and the oldest, most out-of-date building in the NBA. You can't judge local sports fans solely by the Yucks.
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Old 08-06-2013, 02:32 PM
 
Location: The city of champions
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Nah, the Brewers are almost always top 10 in attendance and it's the smallest market in MLB. It's simply not a basketball town. Milwaukee strongly supports baseball (see: above), football (Milwaukee fans religiously drive 2 hours to Green Bay for the 4 "Milwaukee ticket holder" Packer games), and hockey. NBA just doesn't hack it here, and the ownership is perhaps the worst in professional basketball, making it even worse. That and the oldest, most out-of-date building in the NBA. You can't judge local sports fans solely by the Yucks.
Damn, with that kind of attitude, the Bucks need to pack up and leave ASAP. That team is just too irrelevant in that market. Move them to Kansas City, which already has a state of the art arena ready to go.
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Tell that to the Twin Cities ( Vikings ) or the Green Bay Packers. Do you not realize the population of say W.MI, IA, etc? And why wouldn't it be just college sports IF there is nothing else to really route for?
What are we telling them? Des Moines is too small to support an MLB team. It's even too small to support an NFL team. Yes, I know the population of Western Minnesota or Iowa. But most of those are Vikings/Packers/Bears fans. Heck some in Western Iowa are probably Cheifs fans.
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Old 08-07-2013, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Right, Iowa already has rooting interests in IL/WI/MN, and really doesn't have the size to host, nor is it a place where the major sports leagues "need" to plant a flag. It has a small population with no boom in sight, and the state already borders 5 NFL teams, 6 MLB, etc.
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Seattle, Washington
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I thought this thread was about cities that don't have any pro sports whatsoever, why do people keep mentioning cities that already have them...? The OP stated that in his first post, and already had to remind people again. Stop talking about Seattle, OKC, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, LA, KC etc.
I think most of us agreed early on that the markets the op listed arent very good sports markets or they wont see a team anytime soon. So we branched on to other cities to continue the conversation.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:46 AM
 
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This is a more complete list of cities (PSAs that have MLB teams.

PSAs over 1M and their MLB representatives

1. New York-Newark, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA = 23,362,099 (Mets, Yankees)
2. Los Angeles-Long Beach, CA CSA = 18,238,998 (Dodgers, Angels)
3. Chicago-Naperville, IL-IN-WI CSA = 9,899,902 (Cubs, White Sox)
4. Washington-Baltimore-Arlington, DC-MD-VA-WV-PA CSA = 9,331,587 (Orioles, Nationals)
5. San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA = 8,370,967 (Giants, Athletics)
6. Boston-Worcester-Providence, MA-RI-NH-CT CSA = 7,991,371 (Red Sox)
7. Philadelphia-Reading-Camden, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA = 7,129,428 (Phillies)
8. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX-OK CSA = 7,095,411 (Rangers)
9. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Port St. Lucie, FL CSA = 6,375,434 (Marlins)
10. Houston-The Woodlands, TX CSA = 6,371,677 (Astros)
11. Atlanta–Athens-Clarke County–Sandy Springs, GA CSA = 6,092,295 (Braves)
12. Detroit-Warren-Ann Arbor, MI CSA = 5,311,449 (Tigers)
13. Seattle-Tacoma, WA CSA = 4,399,332 (Mariners)
14. Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ MSA = 4,329,534 (Diamondbacks)
15. Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN-WI CSA = 3,759,978 (Twins)
16. Cleveland-Akron-Canton, OH CSA = 3,497,711 (Indians)
17. Denver-Aurora, CO CSA = 3,214,218 (Rockies)
18. San Diego-Carlsbad, CA MSA = 3,177,063 (Padres)
19. Portland-Vancouver-Salem, OR-WA CSA = 2,992,924
20. Orlando-Deltona-Daytona Beach, FL CSA = 2,920,603
21. St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL CSA = 2,900,605 (Cardinals)
22. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA = 2,842,878 (Rays)
23. Pittsburgh-New Castle-Weirton, PA-OH-WV CSA = 2,661,369 (Pirates)
24. Sacramento-Roseville, CA CSA = 2,462,722
25. Charlotte-Concord, NC-SC CSA = 2,454,619
26. Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS CSA = 2,376,631 (Royals)
27. Salt Lake City-Provo-Orem, UT CSA = 2,350,274
28. Columbus-Marion-Zanesville, OH CSA = 2,348,495
29. Indianapolis-Carmel-Muncie, IN CSA = 2,310,360
30. Las Vegas-Henderson, NV-AZ CSA = 2,247,056
31. San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX MSA = 2,234,003
32. Cincinnati-Wilmington-Maysville, OH-KY-IN CSA = 2,188,001 (Reds)
33. Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI CSA = 2,037,542 (Brewers)
34. Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill, NC CSA = 1,998,808
35. Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro, TN CSA = 1,845,235
36. Austin-Round Rock, TX MSA = 1,834,303
37. Virginia Beach-Norfolk, VA-NC CSA = 1,803,080
38. Greensboro–Winston-Salem–High Point, NC CSA = 1,611,243
39. Jacksonville-St. Marys-Palatka, FL-GA CSA = 1,502,515
40. Hartford-West Hartford, CT CSA = 1,488,570
41. Louisville/Jefferson County–Elizabethtown–Madison, KY-IN CSA = 1,478,637
42. New Orleans-Metairie-Hammond, LA-MS CSA = 1,452,502
43. Grand Rapids-Wyoming-Muskegon, MI CSA = 1,395,128
44. Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC CSA = 1,384,996
45. Memphis-Forrest City, TN-MS-AR CSA = 1,369,548
46. Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA = 1,367,325
47. Birmingham-Hoover-Talladega, AL CSA = 1,309,818
48. Richmond, VA MSA = 1,231,980
49. Harrisburg-York-Lebanon, PA CSA = 1,228,559
50. Buffalo-Cheektowaga, NY CSA = 1,213,668
51. Rochester-Batavia-Seneca Falls, NY CSA = 1,177,566
52. Albany-Schenectady, NY CSA = 1,170,483
53. Albuquerque-Santa Fe-Las Vegas, NM CSA = 1,162,777
54. El Paso-Las Cruces, TX-NM CSA = 1,045,180
C1. Toronto, Canada = 5,583,064 (Blue Jays)


This gives one a good idea of how small a city can be to support a MLB team, and where the holes are in market coverage. Every PSA over 8M has 2 teams. Portland, Orlando, Sacramento, Charlotte, Columbus, Salt Lake, Las Vegas, San Antonio and Indianapolis are over 2M and don't have any teams. Cincinnati and Milwaukee are the smallest markets with teams.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati(Silverton)
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CSA is not used as a market? TV market does which goes far beyond CSA boundaries.
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Old 08-08-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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CSA is not used as a market? TV market does which goes far beyond CSA boundaries.
Exactly. Baltimore and Washington DC should not be look at as having the same sports market. Most locals would laugh at such an idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlORK-aqwhw
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Here
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Not the U.S., but Mexico should get involved in a league.
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