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I know you were being sarcastic, but actually the world is full of cities with walls of buildings along waterfronts.
Chicago has many, many wonderful aspects, but I think C-D is the first place where people try and convince you that it's some urban beach city, like a Midwest Rio. Really weird. The water is kind of dirty, the beaches aren't very nice, and people with options generally go other places for the summer beach experience (like Up North in Michigan).
There are beaches in Detroit and Cleveland too. I've been to one right on Lake Erie, within view of the skyline. I would assume Milwaukee also has a Great Lakes beach. Are those beach cities? I don't really understand this argument, especially when comparing to LA and its world-renowned beach scene.
I wasn't inferring Chicago could compete with world beaches, just mentioning it's not worth dismissing either. Its good for walks and numerous activities in Lincoln Park. The skyline and park system and the way it integrates with it makes the setting world-class, even if the actual beach itself isn't.
latter one is much denser and taller but perhaps it could resemble Wilshire Blvd? 2nd link is almost exactly on the city border.
I definitely agree, I think overall, Queens is a lot more intense and seamless than Chicago's bungalow belt or LA though, and because its not on a grid, it makes it look a bit different. Plus its more than 1.5 times as dense as both cities as a whole. Brooklyn has some of this too, though people don't like to talk about it.
International Blvd in Oakland is another similar street.
One thing I find unique about LA is how you'll find the "Happening" neighborhoods with this type of development.
Though places like ATL, Houston, Miami and a bunch of other cities are catching up. Peachtree (the main one) is becoming like Atlanta's answer to Wilshire. If Detroit had kept gaining population, I think it would resemble a lot of LA also.
I definitely agree, I think overall, Queens is a lot more intense and seamless than Chicago's bungalow belt or LA though, and because its not on a grid, it makes it look a bit different. Plus its more than 1.5 times as dense as both cities as a whole. Brooklyn has some of this too, though people don't like to talk about it.
International Blvd in Oakland is another similar street.
One thing I find unique about LA is how you'll find the "Happening" neighborhoods with this type of development.
Though places like ATL, Houston, Miami and a bunch of other cities are catching up. Peachtree (the main one) is becoming like Atlanta's answer to Wilshire. If Detroit had kept gaining population, I think it would resemble a lot of LA also.
Areas of Queens are more intense and denser than any neighborhood in Chicago...
Areas of Queens are more intense and denser than any neighborhood in Chicago...
I don't know why it always comes down to a battle of density. Urbanity is one thing, but being more dense than another makes one place greater how? And I am not sure what you mean by Queens is more "intense".
I don't know why it always comes down to a battle of density. Urbanity is one thing, but being more dense than another makes one place greater how? And I am not sure what you mean by Queens is more "intense".
More people, trains, stores, activity, 24-hour feel, etc. Visit Western Queens, along any subway line. Walk Roosevelt Ave., or Steinway Street, or Queens Boulevard.
Of course, this doesn't mean it's a "better" place, but it's different. The difference in relative density between NYC and Chicago is like the difference in relative density between Chicago and Indy. It's huge.
I don't know why it always comes down to a battle of density. Urbanity is one thing, but being more dense than another makes one place greater how? And I am not sure what you mean by Queens is more "intense".
I don't know why it always comes down to a battle of density. Urbanity is one thing, but being more dense than another makes one place greater how? And I am not sure what you mean by Queens is more "intense".
Like said above ^^ ^ and more people on the streets, busier in general, busier than even downtown and Michigan Avenue for example. Didn't say it was *better*...
Like said above ^^ ^ and more people on the streets, busier in general, busier than even downtown and Michigan Avenue for example. Didn't say it was *better*...
Queens Boulevard was not all that impressive compared to Michigan Avenue and I've been to both. Yes, Queens is denser "over all" (when combined) compare to Chicago's neighborhoods but there are some neighborhoods of the borough that are also less urban than some of the neighborhoods in Chicago. Queens like the Bronx does have suburban like neighborhoods since not all of the borough is covered 100% with row homes and highrises on every single block. Here's one of the example areas to prove my point. Of course, you could turn the tables by posting an aerial only showing one part of the Queens with highrises leaving out the areas which have the suburban like characteristics (single family homes/drive ways). Now if we include "vertical" density beyond just street level density to include both office buildings and residential highrises (combined) only Manhattan would have more than Chicago.
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Areas of Queens are more intense and denser than any neighborhood in Chicago...
More people, trains, stores, activity, 24-hour feel, etc. Visit Western Queens, along any subway line. Walk Roosevelt Ave., or Steinway Street, or Queens Boulevard.
Of course, this doesn't mean it's a "better" place, but it's different. The difference in relative density between NYC and Chicago is like the difference in relative density between Chicago and Indy. It's huge.
The CTA red and blue line trains also run 24 hours even though MTA has way more lines that do.
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2nd link is almost exactly on the city border.
