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I commuted to SF and was there frequently on weekends also. But to your point and which is quite laughable, yes Sonoma County is one of the least diverse places, probably like 99% white in parts, and the other would be hispanic, anything else can probably forget about it. You could go weeks without seeing a black person for example.
I'm talking about the flagship store, to be clear. There is definitely not one in Chicago, and the asian presence is pretty weak there compared to SF or NYC. It's inside a Mitsuwa in the burbs. So is the one in San Jose. The one in SF is in Japantown. My point was there is a very large one in NYC and it's in a prime (non asian) area.
Like I said, I'm not doubting Hawaii could be better. I just get the vibe (not from you) but from others that they are somehow just confined and not really living their lives in NYC.
I guess the best anecdotal evidence we can get is for an Asian who has lived in both NYC and Hawaii...
I commuted to SF and was there frequently on weekends also. But to your point and which is quite laughable, yes Sonoma County is one of the least diverse places, probably like 99% white in parts, and the other would be hispanic, anything else can probably forget about it. You could go weeks without seeing a black person for example.
I'm talking about the flagship store, to be clear. There is definitely not one in Chicago, and the asian presence is pretty weak there compared to SF or NYC. It's inside a Mitsuwa in the burbs. So is the one in San Jose. The one in SF is in Japantown. My point was there is a very large one in NYC and it's in a prime (non asian) area.
Like I said, I'm not doubting Hawaii could be better. I just get the vibe (not from you) but from others that they are somehow just confined and not really living their lives in NYC.
Well that area is probably the least diverse part of the Bay Area. Go one county over to Solano County and it's pretty much the opposite. But I would guess some of the counties on the fringes of the NYC metro are pretty white too no?
Well the ironic thing is that it's people boasting NYC that are the one's that keep talking about all of the large, Asian enclaves as a reason it's better when imo that is part of the reason it's not.
I agree the enclaves would be a reason it is NOT, b/c many of those areas have the "fresh off the boat" feel and are operating in an insular fashion. At the same time they are also catered to, probably by localization departments of companies. I.E. you might see a flyer or add from a prominent health insurance, but it will be in all chinese. If I happen to be in this area, and maybe it caught my attention, I am SOL in reading it. It is better for "authenticity" maybe. I was just making a point that is not like that allover and asians are indeed in many other neighborhoods, but probably not to the extent of Hawaii. I'm sure many NY burbs have a white feel.
I have a few Asian friends, some speak Chinese, some Korean, but its clear that they came from a predominantly Asian community, and going "outside their community" didn't really happen for them until they went to college.
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Asians don't permeate every aspect of society and culture in NYC to the extent they do in Hawaii. It's obvious to anyone whose been to both places the difference in Asian culture between the places.
The fact that you feel everyone is a "minority" in NYC even exemplifies how Asians are so much more dominant in Hawaii. They aren't a minority, they are the MAJORITY and it's obvious.
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Well the ironic thing is that it's people boasting NYC that are the one's that keep talking about all of the large, Asian enclaves as a reason it's better when imo that is part of the reason it's not.
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I agree the enclaves would be a reason it is NOT, b/c many of those areas have the "fresh off the boat" feel and are operating in an insular fashion.
Exactly. In NYC, Asian culture is nothing more than a subculture that will have a relatively weak influence on those who don't actively seek it out. In Hawaii, Asian culture is not a subculture because it is part of the dominant culture and Asian influences are everywhere and affect everyone regardless of race. That results in Asians being very normalized in Hawaii, while they are still minorities in NYC.
Exactly. In NYC, Asian culture is nothing more than a subculture that will have a relatively weak influence on those who don't actively seek it out. In Hawaii, Asian culture is not a subculture because it is part of the dominant culture and Asian influences are everywhere and affect everyone regardless of race. That results in Asians being very normalized in Hawaii, while they are still minorities in NYC.
How about South Asians? Where would they fit in all this?
I'm mainly talking about East Asians and Filipinos in Hawaii. There are very few South Asians in Hawaii, so they are minorities in Hawaii and NYC. But as a percentage of population, Hawaii has more Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Filipinos than NYC and together those groups are the majority (if you include those of multiple races) or the plurality (counting only those who are full Asian).
Exactly. In NYC, Asian culture is nothing more than a subculture that will have a relatively weak influence on those who don't actively seek it out. In Hawaii, Asian culture is not a subculture because it is part of the dominant culture and Asian influences are everywhere and affect everyone regardless of race. That results in Asians being very normalized in Hawaii, while they are still minorities in NYC.
I'm not Asian, but I have lived in Asia for 15 years. So, when I lived in NYC, I really seeked out the Asian communities.
A 'weak' influence is about right. There are plenty of Asians in NYC, but there are plenty of everyone. I was really seeking Asian stuff out, and it's around, but it's more confined to its own little areas. Flushing will give the Asian vibe, but it also gives a heavy Spanish vibe too. There are little commercial Chinatowns and Koreatowns, but not much to them either, as far as community or anything.
Hawaii, on the other hand, Asian culture permeates everywhere. It's in the food, it's in the culture, it's in the values, it's in the blood. But, its definitely more of a Japanese, Filipino, Chinese type of influences.
Are you sure you were in the right area of Flushing chinatown and not Elmhurst? I've walked around that area several times and it seemed 100% asian and would not call it a small area. It's much much bigger than Koreatown in Manhattan for example.
New York City Metro wins easily for many reasons including:
Proximity to many nearby metro areas
Huge job market
Significant Asian population
Easy access to goods/services etc just by being in the largest us city
Top schools
Top professional class to network with
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