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View Poll Results: Most Sophisticated City in the South
Atlanta 98 25.32%
Charlotte 15 3.88%
Dallas 69 17.83%
Hampton Roads 6 1.55%
Houston 66 17.05%
Miami 40 10.34%
Nashville 19 4.91%
New Orleans 22 5.68%
The Research Triangle (Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill) 27 6.98%
Other 25 6.46%
Voters: 387. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-05-2016, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Miami is ~60% Hispanic White. It is absolutely true. Being diverse does not mean not being non-Hispanic White.
Racially, you can say DFW is more diverse. Ethnically, Miami pretty much beats every city in the South including Houston. Miami has a more diverse Hispanic population, a more diverse Black population, and a more diverse European population.

 
Old 09-05-2016, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Racially, you can say DFW is more diverse. Ethnically, Miami pretty much beats every city in the South including Houston. Miami has a more diverse Hispanic population, a more diverse Black population, and a more diverse European population.
I would actually like to see the dataset behind this. I've been planning a move and have had trouble finding metro states for specific ethnicities (since, really, "Asian-American" means nothing to me).
 
Old 09-05-2016, 01:03 PM
 
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How is Miami not last in Economy and International economy?
Miami's economy is nowhere near the power of Atlanta.Atlanta has a ridiculous amount of international companies North American headquarters and not to mention U.S. based headquarters
Also how is Miami ahead of Dallas and Houston in Transportation? Dallas Airport is much busier than Miami's or Houston's,plus its a huge trucking center.Houston has a huge port.
I actually signed up just to reply to this message. You say Miami metros economy is nowhere near the power of Atlanta's but i'm not sure my which metric you are talking about. Miami's GDP was 299 billion in 2014 and Atlanta's was 324 billion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...n_areas_by_GDP

I hardly consider that "nowhere near the power of atlanta's". Also that doesn't even take into account all the wealthy retirees and international people and tourists whose money doesn't even factor into the GDP. This plus many other factors including density and brand image i would say Atlanta is nowhere near the power of Miami. I have lived in both cities and Atlanta doesn't even come close to the amount of wealth floating around Miami's metro, especially when you factor in the people who do not count toward the GDP since they have huge savings accounts or are tourists with vast wealth. It really doesn't compare.

And to the point about airports.. The Miami area has 3 large airports that if you were to add them up they would surpass both Houston and Dallas. Atlanta's airport sees so much traffic because it is in a good spot to receive traffic, not because people are flying to goto the Atlanta metro. They're just passing through..
 
Old 09-05-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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And to the point about airports.. The Miami area has 3 large airports that if you were to add them up they would surpass both Houston and Dallas. Atlanta's airport sees so much traffic because it is in a good spot to receive traffic, not because people are flying to goto the Atlanta metro. They're just passing through..
The O&D numbers for Atlanta run around 35 million passengers annually.

Try again.
 
Old 09-05-2016, 02:32 PM
 
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The O&D numbers for Atlanta run around 35 million passengers annually.

Try again.
Oh yea? Where did you get that information? This thread has numorous pages and people saying how low the Atlanta metro is ranked and how high The Miami metro is in O & D Stats.

Largest Air O&D Markets in the US (local traffic only, no connections)

Origin and Destinations to/from Africa (Sub-Saharan Africa), 2011:
01. New York: 507,840
02. Washington DC: 367,346
03. Atlanta: 125,314
04. Boston: 117,452
05. Houston: 114,648
06. Los Angeles: 104,716
07. Chicago: 92,795
08. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 74,002
09. San Francisco/Oakland: 60,363
10. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 55,704
11. Seattle: 46,731
12. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 45,059
13. Denver: 39,110
14. Orlando: 32,644
15. Philadelphia: 29,740
16. Detroit: 27,479
17. Las Vegas: 18,222
18. Phoenix: 17,640
19. San Diego: 13,393
20. Portland: 13,372
21. Tampa: 10,192
22. Cleveland: 8,020
23. Honolulu: 4,126

Origin and Destinations to/from Asia-Pacific (Asia + Oceania), 2011:
01. Los Angeles: 5,699,528
02. New York: 4,729,261
03. Honolulu: 3,564,634
04. San Francisco/Oakland: 3,371,694
05. Chicago: 1,406,201
06. Washington DC: 991,251
07. Seattle: 882,385
08. Houston: 618,279
09. Boston: 613,954
10. Atlanta: 563,912
11. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 518,012
12. Las Vegas: 460,112
13. Detroit: 393,552
14. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 330,431
15. Orlando: 277,476
16. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 244,377
17. Portland: 243,568
18. Denver: 230,749
19. San Diego: 214,283
20. Phoenix: 186,988
21. Philadelphia: 144,450
22.Tampa: 103,198
23. Cleveland: 90,508

Origin and Destinations to/from Europe (Western + Eastern), 2011:
01. New York: 12,918,183
02. Los Angeles: 3,201,309
03. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 2,823,681
04. San Francisco/Oakland: 2,552,484
05. Boston: 2,466,492
06. Chicago: 2,362,703
07. Orlando: 2,018,499
08. Las Vegas: 1,261,892
09. Washington DC: 1,221,570
10. Houston: 920,804
11. Atlanta: 918,128
12. Philadelphia: 813,963
13. Seattle: 728,448
14. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 652,977
15. Detroit: 616,307
16. Denver: 594,474
17. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 494,145
18. Tampa: 442,095
19. San Diego: 416,513
20. Phoenix: 389,852
21. Portland: 243,568
22. Cleveland: 185,026
23. Honolulu: 144,401

Origin and Destinations to/from North America (Canada + United States), 2011:
01. New York: 2,348,761
02. Las Vegas: 1,895,115
03. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 1,622,115
04. Los Angeles: 1,570,736
05. Orlando: 1,099,022
06. San Francisco/Oakland: 922,689
07. Chicago: 842,293
08. Phoenix: 719,728
09. Boston: 539,212
10. Seattle: 486,548
11. Washington DC: 419,824
12. Tampa: 403,874
13. Houston: 372,605
14. Honolulu: 371,316
15. Atlanta: 356,155
16. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 334,378
17. Denver: 320,702
18. San Diego: 294,639
19. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 273,128
20. Philadelphia: 257,035
21. Portland: 148,051
22. Detroit: 135,431
23. Cleveland: 71,605

Origin and Destinations to/from Middle-East (Asia Minor + North Africa), 2011:
01. New York: 1,682,220
02. Los Angeles: 493,660
03. Washington DC: 425,655
04. Chicago: 228,418
05. Houston: 212,917
06. San Francisco/Oakland: 206,958
07. Boston: 181,517
08. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 150,196
09. Detroit: 119,729
10. Atlanta: 118,718
11. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 98,669
12. Orlando: 76,170
13. Seattle: 63,224
14. Philadelphia: 57,355
15. Denver: 50,843
16. Las Vegas: 50,111
17. San Diego: 49,553
18. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 41,329
19. Tampa: 40,770
20. Phoenix: 40,573
21. Portland: 32,476
22. Cleveland: 30,933
23. Honolulu: 12,377

Origin and Destinations to/from Latin America (Mexico + Central America + Caribbean Islands + South America), 2011:
01. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 10,033,082
02. New York: 9,553,742
03. Los Angeles: 3,874,482
04. Chicago: 2,205,665
05. Orlando: 1,936,890
06. Houston: 1,875,309
07. San Francisco/Oakland: 1,517,693
08. Boston: 1,425,440
09. Washington DC: 1,411,076
10. Atlanta: 1,213,566
11. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 1,107,285
12. Las Vegas: 870,113
13. Philadelphia: 815,714
14. Denver: 717,670
15. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 688,210
16. Detroit: 671,264
17. Seattle: 544,275
18. Phoenix: 409,257
19. San Diego: 350,888
20. Tampa: 275,195
21. Portland: 275,089
22. Cleveland: 186,172
23. Honolulu: 28,880



I believe that's from the brookings institute. Note the Atlanta metro doesn't even come close to Miami metros O & D number even from USA and Canada not to mention internationally. Take a look at the thread it really shows how low Atlanta's O&D numbers are.

Largest Air O&D Markets in the US (local traffic only, no connections)

They also have updated stats from 2016 that show the same thing, but i am not able to copy and paste them. Enjoy
 
Old 09-05-2016, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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And to the point about airports.. The Miami area has 3 large airports that if you were to add them up they would surpass both Houston and Dallas. Atlanta's airport sees so much traffic because it is in a good spot to receive traffic, not because people are flying to goto the Atlanta metro. They're just passing through..
Houston perhaps. Dallas, I'm not seeing. Did you add DFW and DAL?
 
Old 09-05-2016, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Originally Posted by pointer212 View Post
Oh yea? Where did you get that information? This thread has numorous pages and people saying how low the Atlanta metro is ranked and how high The Miami metro is in O & D Stats.

Largest Air O&D Markets in the US (local traffic only, no connections)

Origin and Destinations to/from Africa (Sub-Saharan Africa), 2011:
01. New York: 507,840
02. Washington DC: 367,346
03. Atlanta: 125,314
04. Boston: 117,452
05. Houston: 114,648
06. Los Angeles: 104,716
07. Chicago: 92,795
08. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 74,002
09. San Francisco/Oakland: 60,363
10. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 55,704
11. Seattle: 46,731
12. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 45,059
13. Denver: 39,110
14. Orlando: 32,644
15. Philadelphia: 29,740
16. Detroit: 27,479
17. Las Vegas: 18,222
18. Phoenix: 17,640
19. San Diego: 13,393
20. Portland: 13,372
21. Tampa: 10,192
22. Cleveland: 8,020
23. Honolulu: 4,126

Origin and Destinations to/from Asia-Pacific (Asia + Oceania), 2011:
01. Los Angeles: 5,699,528
02. New York: 4,729,261
03. Honolulu: 3,564,634
04. San Francisco/Oakland: 3,371,694
05. Chicago: 1,406,201
06. Washington DC: 991,251
07. Seattle: 882,385
08. Houston: 618,279
09. Boston: 613,954
10. Atlanta: 563,912
11. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 518,012
12. Las Vegas: 460,112
13. Detroit: 393,552
14. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 330,431
15. Orlando: 277,476
16. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 244,377
17. Portland: 243,568
18. Denver: 230,749
19. San Diego: 214,283
20. Phoenix: 186,988
21. Philadelphia: 144,450
22.Tampa: 103,198
23. Cleveland: 90,508

Origin and Destinations to/from Europe (Western + Eastern), 2011:
01. New York: 12,918,183
02. Los Angeles: 3,201,309
03. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 2,823,681
04. San Francisco/Oakland: 2,552,484
05. Boston: 2,466,492
06. Chicago: 2,362,703
07. Orlando: 2,018,499
08. Las Vegas: 1,261,892
09. Washington DC: 1,221,570
10. Houston: 920,804
11. Atlanta: 918,128
12. Philadelphia: 813,963
13. Seattle: 728,448
14. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 652,977
15. Detroit: 616,307
16. Denver: 594,474
17. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 494,145
18. Tampa: 442,095
19. San Diego: 416,513
20. Phoenix: 389,852
21. Portland: 243,568
22. Cleveland: 185,026
23. Honolulu: 144,401

Origin and Destinations to/from North America (Canada + United States), 2011:
01. New York: 2,348,761
02. Las Vegas: 1,895,115
03. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 1,622,115
04. Los Angeles: 1,570,736
05. Orlando: 1,099,022
06. San Francisco/Oakland: 922,689
07. Chicago: 842,293
08. Phoenix: 719,728
09. Boston: 539,212
10. Seattle: 486,548
11. Washington DC: 419,824
12. Tampa: 403,874
13. Houston: 372,605
14. Honolulu: 371,316
15. Atlanta: 356,155
16. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 334,378
17. Denver: 320,702
18. San Diego: 294,639
19. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 273,128
20. Philadelphia: 257,035
21. Portland: 148,051
22. Detroit: 135,431
23. Cleveland: 71,605

Origin and Destinations to/from Middle-East (Asia Minor + North Africa), 2011:
01. New York: 1,682,220
02. Los Angeles: 493,660
03. Washington DC: 425,655
04. Chicago: 228,418
05. Houston: 212,917
06. San Francisco/Oakland: 206,958
07. Boston: 181,517
08. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 150,196
09. Detroit: 119,729
10. Atlanta: 118,718
11. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 98,669
12. Orlando: 76,170
13. Seattle: 63,224
14. Philadelphia: 57,355
15. Denver: 50,843
16. Las Vegas: 50,111
17. San Diego: 49,553
18. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 41,329
19. Tampa: 40,770
20. Phoenix: 40,573
21. Portland: 32,476
22. Cleveland: 30,933
23. Honolulu: 12,377

Origin and Destinations to/from Latin America (Mexico + Central America + Caribbean Islands + South America), 2011:
01. Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 10,033,082
02. New York: 9,553,742
03. Los Angeles: 3,874,482
04. Chicago: 2,205,665
05. Orlando: 1,936,890
06. Houston: 1,875,309
07. San Francisco/Oakland: 1,517,693
08. Boston: 1,425,440
09. Washington DC: 1,411,076
10. Atlanta: 1,213,566
11. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex: 1,107,285
12. Las Vegas: 870,113
13. Philadelphia: 815,714
14. Denver: 717,670
15. Minneapolis/Saint Paul: 688,210
16. Detroit: 671,264
17. Seattle: 544,275
18. Phoenix: 409,257
19. San Diego: 350,888
20. Tampa: 275,195
21. Portland: 275,089
22. Cleveland: 186,172
23. Honolulu: 28,880



I believe that's from the brookings institute. Note the Atlanta metro doesn't even come close to Miami metros O & D number even from USA and Canada not to mention internationally. Take a look at the thread it really shows how low Atlanta's O&D numbers are.

Largest Air O&D Markets in the US (local traffic only, no connections)

They also have updated stats from 2016 that show the same thing, but i am not able to copy and paste them. Enjoy
Oh, how fun! Another Miamian threatened by Atlanta.

I refuse to get in a pissing match with you. Prove that Atlanta's O&D isn't in the mid-30 million range. You can't.
 
Old 09-05-2016, 03:05 PM
 
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Oh, how fun! Another Miamian threatened by Atlanta.

I refuse to get in a pissing match with you. Prove that Atlanta's O&D isn't in the mid-30 million range. You can't.
How am i threatened by Atlanta? I think both Atlanta and Miami are amazing and have family in both. I just posted a list of all the numbers and i linked a thread on this very website with over 27 pages of people saying the same thing. Just because Atlanta has a certain number of O&D stats doesn't even matter. Its how Atlanta compares to the other cities in the U.S. and in this cause to Miami. Like i said before its not even close.
 
Old 09-05-2016, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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How am i threatened by Atlanta? I think both Atlanta and Miami are amazing and have family in both. I just posted a list of all the numbers and i linked a thread on this very website with over 27 pages of people saying the same thing. Just because Atlanta has a certain number of O&D stats doesn't even matter. Its how Atlanta compares to the other cities in the U.S. and in this cause to Miami. Like i said before its not even close.
No, you made this ridiculous claim: "Atlanta's airport sees so much traffic because it is in a good spot to receive traffic, not because people are flying to go to the Atlanta metro. They're just passing through..."

Pure BS. Now, again - Atlanta's annual O&D numbers are around 35 million a year. Period.

It is on you to prove that number wrong. And yet again, you can't.
 
Old 09-05-2016, 03:30 PM
 
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The population has nothing to do with sophistication. New Orleans, DC, Charleston, Baltimore, and Savannah are the grand dames of sophistication. Imitation is the greatest form of what? One of this city invented jazz, diverse culture and a unique cuisine and the first opera house in America, Charleston, and Savannah has unique culture and grace, Baltimore, and DC for its unique spirit and national culture. As you talk about the other large cities on this blog, I can trace where they got lots of their culture and sophistication from and it was from the five aforementioned cities
I like Baltimore, I really do, but "sophisticated" is not among the first adjectives to come to mind when describing it.
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