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View Poll Results: New Orleans vs Oakland
Oakland 35 43.21%
New Orleans 46 56.79%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-12-2014, 09:09 PM
 
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The physical structure of New Orleans makes it more walkable, it isn't like New Orleans is at a lack of amenities to walk to. Walkscore is bogus and continually changing it's algorithms, their top cities have moved around 3 times already based on new algorithms. Basically if you live next to a clustered strip mall you are going to be racking up points according to walkscore.

Don't confuse population density with structural density or walkability with walkscore.

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Old 03-12-2014, 09:16 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Basically if you live next to a clustered strip mall you are going to be racking up points according to walkscore.
Well, it makes sense doesn't it? Being within walkable distance to a range of amenities is the point of walkability. Shouldn't matter if it's strip malls or store fronts.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:20 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Well, it makes sense doesn't it? Being within walkable distance to a range of amenities is the point of walkability. Shouldn't matter if it's strip malls or store fronts.
no, it doesn't make sense, there is more to walking and urban design than getting a gallon of milk a mile from you, which according to walk score racks you up points. only people in suburban layout cities boost this point, wonder why.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:22 PM
 
Location: The Bay
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The physical structure of New Orleans makes it more walkable, it isn't like New Orleans is at a lack of amenities to walk to. Walkscore is bogus and continually changing it's algorithms, their top cities have moved around 3 times already based on new algorithms. Basically if you live next to a clustered strip mall you are going to be racking up points according to walkscore.

Don't confuse population density with structural density or walkability with walkscore.
If your idea of Oakland is "clustered strip malls" you don't know the city.
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Old 03-12-2014, 09:23 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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If your idea of Oakland is "clustered strip malls" you don't know the city.
I didn't say that of Oakland. I said that of how walkscores algorithm works. It's pretty easy to see New Orleans is easier to walk around in and more compact than Oakland, not sure what the argument is. Are there more people in Oakland, sure, they are in a much bigger metro area, more diverse, and in one of the best performing GDP regions in the world, and didn't drop off 150k people b/c of a hurricane and years of economic turmoil. You could put 500k more people in oakland and it won't change the walkability b/c the urban design didn't change.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:00 PM
 
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A lot of the East Bay was street car suburbs around the Key System with a large downtown.
Key System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While it is urban, it isn't built out like the core of New Orleans.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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The physical structure of New Orleans makes it more walkable, it isn't like New Orleans is at a lack of amenities to walk to. Walkscore is bogus and continually changing it's algorithms, their top cities have moved around 3 times already based on new algorithms. Basically if you live next to a clustered strip mall you are going to be racking up points according to walkscore.

Don't confuse population density with structural density or walkability with walkscore.
Yes and NYC and SF are actually packed with strip malls and so actually walkscore advocates low density sprawl. Hahaha.

Please give it up.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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If your idea of Oakland is "clustered strip malls" you don't know the city.
This is a common theme in this rigged-from-the-jump thread.

They clearly dont know much about Oakland and are being hammered by facts that hadnt anticipated.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:21 PM
 
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While I have lived in cities on the East Coast that are a good bit more walkable than NOLA, the city still holds its own very well and is generally well suited for walking.

Density is never the entire picture because you need the environment for walkability. That means little stores all over - not strip malls with huge parking lots - little local restaurants (again, not huge parking lots that come in chain restaurants) - bike paths, strategetically located and integrated parks, the right type of housing/architecture (not Soviet style monolithic buildings) and so on. I've been to dense cities overseas that sucked for walkability.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:26 PM
 
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-Culture: Tie - Oakland for education level/sophistication/progressive views; NOLA for unique culture
-Density: Oakland
-History: NOLA
-Cuisine: NOLA
-Arts: Oakland
-Architecture: NOLA
-Street Performers: NOLA
-Festivals/Free Events: NOLA
-Crime: Oakland
-Local Economy: Oakland by a landslide
-Diversity: Oakland
-COL: Oakland (NOLA has become expensive and the housing is awful: old as dirt shotguns with no amenities or even insulation)
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