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Old 04-09-2014, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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When people talk about great nightlife are they talking about dance clubs playing dumb techno music till the wee hours with people not really socializing but texting each other. When I'm in Miami or Vegas they seem to be most like that. Or are they talking about an area with a combination of great pubs, bars, late night restaurants, cafes and coffee houses, jazz clubs and live music?
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Old 04-09-2014, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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When people talk about great nightlife are they talking about dance clubs playing dumb techno music till the wee hours with people not really socializing but texting each other. When I'm in Miami or Vegas they seem to be most like that. Or are they talking about an area with a combination of great pubs, bars, late night restaurants, cafes and coffee houses, jazz clubs and live music?
"Dumb techno music" shows your unfamiliarity with the music as a whole. Some is dumb though, I agree and chances are that the **** you've heard is that which is crappy pop electronica that hardly even counts in the realm of that type of music. There is AMAZING electronica out there that will take you to another place just by listening to it. Unfortunately, this stuff is not in the mainstream at all, probably for good reason, and takes a little bit of work to discover unless you are introduced to it by someone else.

When I talk about nightlife though, I mean it all - a variety of it from almost purely drinking to theater to live music.

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Old 04-09-2014, 12:58 AM
 
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When people talk about great nightlife are they talking about dance clubs playing dumb techno music till the wee hours with people not really socializing but texting each other. When I'm in Miami or Vegas they seem to be most like that. Or are they talking about an area with a combination of great pubs, bars, late night restaurants, cafes and coffee houses, jazz clubs and live music?
You can find Latin-jazz clubs in Miami. Miami has all that. Late-night restaurants, coffee houses, bars, etc. Not really accurate to limit Miami to "dumb techno music" and texting. Are Jazz clubs really anymore make or break, than a Salsa club? Or hip-hop club? The more I'm on C-D, the more I feel folks don't really know Miami. Or anywhere besides where they live. No offense.
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Old 04-09-2014, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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You can find Latin-jazz clubs in Miami. Miami has all that. Late-night restaurants, coffee houses, bars, etc. Not really accurate to limit Miami to "dumb techno music" and texting. Are Jazz clubs really anymore make or break, than a Salsa club? Or hip-hop club? The more I'm on C-D, the more I feel folks don't really know Miami. Or anywhere besides where they live. No offense.
Actually I found a couple of cool spots on my own the last time I was in Miami. The people who were taking us out actually lived in Miami. They were the ones taking us to these places. And yes jazz clubs do still exist around the world with many right here in North America. I love Miami but I knew these aquaintances were not the right ones to show us around.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:43 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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It looks and feels like a traditional downtown in every sense. It doesn't have the nightlife of the westside? Please tell me where all this westside nightlife is.
It looks and feels like a traditional Downtown of a much smaller city!

And Westside nightlife IS the king of LA.... period. The varieties of West Hollywood (I consider that West LA), Santa Monica, Westwood, Beverly Hills, Venice.... Amazing choices you can't find Downtown.... All these neighborhoods are a monster combined with Downtown. The nightlife in Pasadena, Silver Lake, and Long Beach is also a rival of DTLA. It's a rookie up and coming area.

All these DTLA people hating on the West Side and other areas... It is so lame.
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:22 AM
 
Location: The City
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Many say Le Diplomate is better than Parc by a wide margin. Don't shoot the messenger. Steven star said Philly is a discount restaurant city. It's not a place to get rich because they can't support it in his interview.
I don't think Parc is that great, the best part is their location on the square to be honest. Starr restaurants tend to be as much or more about the scene.

Stephen Starr Dishes on Le Diplomate, Future DC Plans - Spring Tracking - Eater DC


How Stephen Starr made Le Diplomate the hottest table in town - The Washington Post


Le Diplomate Archives | Philadelphia Magazine
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:23 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It looks and feels like a traditional Downtown of a much smaller city!

And Westside nightlife IS the king of LA.... period. The varieties of West Hollywood (I consider that West LA), Santa Monica, Westwood, Beverly Hills, Venice.... Amazing choices you can't find Downtown.... All these neighborhoods are a monster combined with Downtown. The nightlife in Pasadena, Silver Lake, and Long Beach is also a rival of DTLA. It's a rookie up and coming area.

All these DTLA people hating on the West Side and other areas... It is so lame.
This is past hilarious. First off West Hollywood is not the westside. Second, why on earth are you including an area that is probably 50 square miles or more to DTLA which is probably 5 square miles. The westside is a bedroom part of Lo Angeles. Westwood? Are you serious??? This is not the 80s. Westwood is having a problem right now with empty storefronts . Beverly Hills has some nice restaurants but it is far from a nightlife place. Venice? Santa Monica? They're ok. Still not nearly the nightlife options as DTLA. And no subway or lightrail options in all of those westside square miles. Like I said there is no area on the westsidside with the concentration of restaurants, nightlife, cultural amenities or even public transportation options as DTLA. Architecturally it looks like no other part of LA. Its not even that small considering the way the city is layed out.
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Old 04-09-2014, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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I don't think Parc is that great, the best part is their location on the square to be honest. Starr restaurants tend to be as much or more about the scene.

Stephen Starr Dishes on Le Diplomate, Future DC Plans - Spring Tracking - Eater DC


How Stephen Starr made Le Diplomate the hottest table in town - The Washington Post


Le Diplomate Archives | Philadelphia Magazine

I wonder if the amount of money restaurants make in a city like DC is the reason so many chefs want a presence in DC all of a sudden. None of them could care less about DC a couple years ago. In your honest opinion Kidphilly, why are they all coming here now? It is kind of a slap in the face to the city's longtime residents. I guess it's like I said a couple pages ago.

DC didn't have a Latin American, European, or Asian population in the city for them to attach to like NYC, SF, Chicago, Philly, Boston, Seattle, Houston, New Orleans, Miami, or LA so maybe that's why they didn't care about DC.
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Old 04-09-2014, 07:08 AM
 
Location: The City
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I wonder if the amount of money restaurants make in a city like DC is the reason so many chefs want a presence in DC all of a sudden. None of them could care less about DC a couple years ago. In your honest opinion Kidphilly, why are they all coming here now? It is kind of a slap in the face to the city's longtime residents. I guess it's like I said a couple pages ago.

DC didn't have a Latin American, European, or Asian population in the city for them to attach to like NYC, SF, Chicago, Philly, Boston, Seattle, Houston, New Orleans, Miami, or LA so maybe that's why they didn't care about DC.
Money to be spent and unmet needs - these are sort or new to DC concepts that have existed in many other cities for years. So money to be spent and easy to differentiate from what has historically existed in DC
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Old 04-09-2014, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Money to be spent and unmet needs - these are sort or new to DC concepts that have existed in many other cities for years. So money to be spent and easy to differentiate from what has historically existed in DC
So you don't think race played any part of it? There were many upper class African American households in DC for years and they never came to the neighborhood. I think there is a major elephant in the room here. Money only plays a certain part in this. Look how many restaurants exist in poor areas in other cities. The requirement typically has to do with the race of that poor area.
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